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From: Christian Birchinger <joker@gentoo.org>
To: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo internal structure
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 13:52:36 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20031126125236.GC25888@netswarm.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87ptfk7uhu.fsf@killr.ath.cx>

Offering a choice was always a very important thing in Gentoo.
Forcing the user into freesoftware will only make them switch.
The people who like that zealotery already use Debian anyway.

The choice is the most important thing for me.

Personaly i hate closed source stuff installed on my machine.
I dislike Nvidias binary only drivers and would never buy
hardware which requires me to use proprietary software.

That's my personal choice and not a reason to suggest ripping
out Nvidia drivers from Gentoo. The user should have the choice
to use it or not.

On Sat, Nov 22, 2003 at 01:06:05AM -0600, Matthew Kennedy wrote:
> Sven Vermeulen <swift@gentoo.org> writes:
> 
> > On Fri, Nov 21, 2003 at 09:16:19AM -0600, Matthew Kennedy wrote:
> >> Personally, I am only interested in supporting and using free
> >> software, so...
> >>
> >> The best solution is just to remove support for anything non-free in
> >> portage and to also remove any non-free software from our mirrors.
> >> Let some other external project step up to the plate and provide a
> >> non-free overlay if they wish.
> >
> > I disagree. Give the users who want the chance to not use "non-free"
> > software, but also give the others the chance to use non-free software.
> >
> > I think you'll get a lot of gamers against you when you tell them you don't
> > want them to easily install their favorite non-free game :)
> 
> [...]
> 
> Jon, Sven,
> 
> Obviously, its more important that the "gamers" are not upset by a
> single line change in make.conf.  The principle of building a Free
> software distribution has got to be less important than that.
> 
> Seriously though, it is my impression that you may be surprised how
> many folks care that their box uses free software only.  You might
> want to check the Debian news out of late.  There's a proposal to do
> away with(?) non-free in their distro (ie. clause 5. in their social
> contract would be removed).
> 
> I suppose I am dismayed that we are failing to promote free software
> over proprietary software.
> 
> Matt
> --
> Matthew Kennedy
> Gentoo Linux Developer

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2003-11-26 12:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 70+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-11-18 19:01 [gentoo-dev] Gentoo internal structure Sergey V. Spiridonov
2003-11-19 10:14 ` Paul de Vrieze
2003-11-20 18:02   ` [gentoo-dev] " Sergey V. Spiridonov
2003-11-21  1:50   ` [gentoo-dev] " Jason Stubbs
2003-11-21  2:34     ` Brett I. Holcomb
2003-11-21  2:53       ` Jason Stubbs
2003-11-21  3:13       ` Aron Griffis
2003-11-21 10:07         ` Sven Vermeulen
2003-11-21 10:33           ` donnie berkholz
2003-11-21 10:54             ` Erik Swanson
2003-11-21 12:34               ` William Kenworthy
2003-11-21 12:53                 ` Jason Stubbs
2003-11-21 15:19                 ` Matthew Kennedy
2003-11-21 17:32               ` Jon Portnoy
2003-11-21 18:07                 ` Erik Swanson
2003-11-21 20:15                   ` Paul de Vrieze
2003-11-21 21:07                     ` Chris Gianelloni
2003-11-22  7:41                       ` Mike Frysinger
2003-11-22 21:06                         ` Aron Griffis
2003-11-23 18:04                         ` Chris Gianelloni
2003-11-23 18:30                           ` Luke-Jr
2003-11-23 21:55                             ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2003-11-23 22:43                               ` Luke-Jr
2003-11-23 23:05                                 ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2003-11-24 16:18                                 ` Chris Gianelloni
2003-11-24 16:15                               ` Chris Gianelloni
2003-11-24  1:06                             ` Mike Frysinger
2003-11-24  1:06                             ` Mike Frysinger
2003-11-24 16:13                             ` Chris Gianelloni
2003-11-26 12:17                   ` Christian Birchinger
2003-11-26 17:18                     ` Bob Miller
2003-11-26 18:00                       ` Dewet Diener
2003-11-26 22:09                       ` Christian Birchinger
2003-11-26 22:58                       ` Jason Rhinelander
2003-11-22  6:47                 ` Matthew Kennedy
2003-11-22  7:39                   ` Jon Portnoy
2003-11-21 19:25               ` Chris Gianelloni
2003-11-26 12:06           ` Christian Birchinger
2003-11-26 12:30             ` Ciaran McCreesh
2003-11-21  3:22       ` gentoo.org
2003-11-21 15:16     ` Matthew Kennedy
2003-11-21 15:27       ` Don Seiler
2003-11-21 17:45       ` Jon Portnoy
2003-11-21 18:35       ` Sven Vermeulen
2003-11-22  7:06         ` Matthew Kennedy
2003-11-22  7:32           ` Jon Portnoy
2003-11-22  7:43             ` Mike Frysinger
2003-11-22  8:34               ` Caleb Tennis
2003-11-22 16:56               ` Brett I. Holcomb
2003-11-22  9:28             ` Stewart Honsberger
2003-11-22 16:06             ` Peter Ruskin
2003-11-22 16:57             ` Paul Varner
2003-11-22 20:31             ` Donnie Berkholz
2003-11-24  6:37             ` Andrew Cowie
2003-11-25 13:31               ` Chris Gianelloni
2003-11-24 16:33             ` Matthew Kennedy
2003-11-25  6:42               ` Stewart Honsberger
2003-11-22  7:33           ` Jon Portnoy
2003-11-24 16:36             ` Matthew Kennedy
2003-11-22 10:28           ` Sven Vermeulen
2003-11-22 14:42             ` Heiko Vogel
2003-11-22 14:57               ` Jason Stubbs
2003-11-22 22:52               ` [gentoo-dev] Gentoo internal structure, Will it ever end? William McArthur
2003-11-22 23:43                 ` Brett I. Holcomb
2003-11-23  0:30                   ` Jason Stubbs
2003-11-23 18:08             ` [gentoo-dev] Gentoo internal structure Chris Gianelloni
2003-11-23 19:55               ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2003-11-22 14:45           ` Lisa Seelye
2003-11-26 12:52           ` Christian Birchinger [this message]
     [not found] ` <20031123101838.02002dc7.thomas@zimres.net>
2003-11-23 18:53   ` [gentoo-dev] Gentoo internal structure, Will it ever end? Brett I. Holcomb

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