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From: Jon Portnoy <avenj@gentoo.org>
To: Matthew Kennedy <mkennedy@gentoo.org>
Cc: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo internal structure
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 12:45:52 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20031121174552.GB24867@cerberus.oppresses.us> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <8765hdu4zg.fsf@killr.ath.cx>

On Fri, Nov 21, 2003 at 09:16:19AM -0600, Matthew Kennedy wrote:
> Jason Stubbs <jasonbstubbs@mailandnews.com> writes:
> 
> [...]
> 
> > massive amount of licenses, I suggest having reasonable defaults for 
> > ACCEPT_LICENSES is make.defaults.
> >
> > The reason for this is that the free vs non-free questioning comes up on -user 
> > every month or two. Each time, the answer is invariably "you wont find what 
> > you're looking for here". I would prefer to be able to say, "sure, Gentoo can 
> > do that". And it seems if the above were implemented it would be as easy as 
> > ACCEPT_LICENSES="-* GPL-1 GPL-2 LGPL-2 LGPL-2.1". (I'm not so familiar with 
> > which licenses but I'm sure someone that cares would be).
> >
> > As a added benefit, using something similar to the above would ensure that a 
> > stage3 tarball would never be 'polluted'. I'm sure there would be other 
> > benefits, too.
> 
> [...]
> 
> Personally, I am only interested in supporting and using free
> software, so...
> 
> The best solution is just to remove support for anything non-free in
> portage and to also remove any non-free software from our mirrors.
> Let some other external project step up to the plate and provide a
> non-free overlay if they wish.  This would put us in a position to be
> the only GNU/Linux distribution out there which is truly Free
> according to GNU standards (AFAIK).  Wouldn't that be a great selling
> point?
> 

No, actually, it would be the reason a lot of users return to a 
different distribution.

While you and I are free software advocates, you have to keep in mind 
what the greater user community wants and needs. I am very active in the 
user community and I can assure you that people definitely do not want 
to have to take extra steps to get nonfree software because a small 
group of people decided it should be that way. They want to be able to 
make decisions for themselves and think distributions should be there to 
facilitate whatever they choose to do, and I agree with them.

I also think that if we implement ACCEPT_LICENSES, it should most 
definitely accept all licenses (except e.g. the ID licenses) by 
default, or at least a grouping like 'free nonfree'

-- 
Jon Portnoy
avenj/irc.freenode.net

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2003-11-21 17:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 70+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-11-18 19:01 [gentoo-dev] Gentoo internal structure Sergey V. Spiridonov
2003-11-19 10:14 ` Paul de Vrieze
2003-11-20 18:02   ` [gentoo-dev] " Sergey V. Spiridonov
2003-11-21  1:50   ` [gentoo-dev] " Jason Stubbs
2003-11-21  2:34     ` Brett I. Holcomb
2003-11-21  2:53       ` Jason Stubbs
2003-11-21  3:13       ` Aron Griffis
2003-11-21 10:07         ` Sven Vermeulen
2003-11-21 10:33           ` donnie berkholz
2003-11-21 10:54             ` Erik Swanson
2003-11-21 12:34               ` William Kenworthy
2003-11-21 12:53                 ` Jason Stubbs
2003-11-21 15:19                 ` Matthew Kennedy
2003-11-21 17:32               ` Jon Portnoy
2003-11-21 18:07                 ` Erik Swanson
2003-11-21 20:15                   ` Paul de Vrieze
2003-11-21 21:07                     ` Chris Gianelloni
2003-11-22  7:41                       ` Mike Frysinger
2003-11-22 21:06                         ` Aron Griffis
2003-11-23 18:04                         ` Chris Gianelloni
2003-11-23 18:30                           ` Luke-Jr
2003-11-23 21:55                             ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2003-11-23 22:43                               ` Luke-Jr
2003-11-23 23:05                                 ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2003-11-24 16:18                                 ` Chris Gianelloni
2003-11-24 16:15                               ` Chris Gianelloni
2003-11-24  1:06                             ` Mike Frysinger
2003-11-24  1:06                             ` Mike Frysinger
2003-11-24 16:13                             ` Chris Gianelloni
2003-11-26 12:17                   ` Christian Birchinger
2003-11-26 17:18                     ` Bob Miller
2003-11-26 18:00                       ` Dewet Diener
2003-11-26 22:09                       ` Christian Birchinger
2003-11-26 22:58                       ` Jason Rhinelander
2003-11-22  6:47                 ` Matthew Kennedy
2003-11-22  7:39                   ` Jon Portnoy
2003-11-21 19:25               ` Chris Gianelloni
2003-11-26 12:06           ` Christian Birchinger
2003-11-26 12:30             ` Ciaran McCreesh
2003-11-21  3:22       ` gentoo.org
2003-11-21 15:16     ` Matthew Kennedy
2003-11-21 15:27       ` Don Seiler
2003-11-21 17:45       ` Jon Portnoy [this message]
2003-11-21 18:35       ` Sven Vermeulen
2003-11-22  7:06         ` Matthew Kennedy
2003-11-22  7:32           ` Jon Portnoy
2003-11-22  7:43             ` Mike Frysinger
2003-11-22  8:34               ` Caleb Tennis
2003-11-22 16:56               ` Brett I. Holcomb
2003-11-22  9:28             ` Stewart Honsberger
2003-11-22 16:06             ` Peter Ruskin
2003-11-22 16:57             ` Paul Varner
2003-11-22 20:31             ` Donnie Berkholz
2003-11-24  6:37             ` Andrew Cowie
2003-11-25 13:31               ` Chris Gianelloni
2003-11-24 16:33             ` Matthew Kennedy
2003-11-25  6:42               ` Stewart Honsberger
2003-11-22  7:33           ` Jon Portnoy
2003-11-24 16:36             ` Matthew Kennedy
2003-11-22 10:28           ` Sven Vermeulen
2003-11-22 14:42             ` Heiko Vogel
2003-11-22 14:57               ` Jason Stubbs
2003-11-22 22:52               ` [gentoo-dev] Gentoo internal structure, Will it ever end? William McArthur
2003-11-22 23:43                 ` Brett I. Holcomb
2003-11-23  0:30                   ` Jason Stubbs
2003-11-23 18:08             ` [gentoo-dev] Gentoo internal structure Chris Gianelloni
2003-11-23 19:55               ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2003-11-22 14:45           ` Lisa Seelye
2003-11-26 12:52           ` Christian Birchinger
     [not found] ` <20031123101838.02002dc7.thomas@zimres.net>
2003-11-23 18:53   ` [gentoo-dev] Gentoo internal structure, Will it ever end? Brett I. Holcomb

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