[gentoo-dev] Call for nominations

[gentoo-dev] Call for nominations

[Paul de Vrieze]

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Hi all,

As there is a vacant position for the lead of the desktop toplevel project we 
have decided to do the following:

All developers are allowed to nominate other developers for this position. 
Such a nomination should be accompanied with a short writing why you think 
this person should be nominated. These nominations should be sent to me. The 
deadline is for Sunday, November 9th.

After the deadline closes I will collect all nominations and put them in a 
list. This list will again be send to the mailing list. Now people will have 
a week to send me the reasons why the nominees should not be elected as lead. 
This is also the place where nominees can say that they are not available for 
the position.

The reasons in favor and against a certain person will be collected and send 
to the managers After the second deadline the managers will discuss the 
nominations until the first meeting on which there will be a vote. The 
results of the vote will first be announced to the person that is elected. 
After this person has been notified, he or she will be announced on 
gentoo-dev@gentoo.org.

Please take into account the following profile for the lead:
- Respected within the gentoo comunity
- A diplomatic personality as there are many existing projects which are now
  more independent that need to be put under the desktop project. Those
  projects mainly just want to keep doing what they do, and not give away
  responsibility. I think a diplomatic response will be better here than just
  pushing.
- A vision where the gentoo desktop should go.

Paul

ps. So send the nominations to me, not to -dev or -core

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Mail: pauldv@gentoo.org
Homepage: http://www.devrieze.net

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Call for nominations

[foser]

On Sun, 2003-11-02 at 12:30, Paul de Vrieze wrote:

> As there is a vacant position for the lead of the desktop toplevel project we 
> have decided to do the following:

Although I'm happy with this change, i wonder if this is meant to be a
pilot for future manager selection changes ?

In light of recent talks about this i was considering writing up a GLEP
on something like this. It's on my already overflowing TODO (which i
keep in my head, so it always seems empty at the moment i add new
stuff).

- foser


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Re: [gentoo-dev] Call for nominations

[Paul de Vrieze]

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On Tuesday 04 November 2003 00:54, foser wrote:
> On Sun, 2003-11-02 at 12:30, Paul de Vrieze wrote:
> > As there is a vacant position for the lead of the desktop toplevel
> > project we have decided to do the following:
>
> Although I'm happy with this change, i wonder if this is meant to be a
> pilot for future manager selection changes ?
>
> In light of recent talks about this i was considering writing up a GLEP
> on something like this. It's on my already overflowing TODO (which i
> keep in my head, so it always seems empty at the moment i add new
> stuff).

It is currently a pilot. If this way works out, we will use it for other 
manager elections too.

Paul

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Paul de Vrieze
Gentoo Developer
Mail: pauldv@gentoo.org
Homepage: http://www.devrieze.net

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Call for nominations

[Kevyn Shortell]

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On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 00:37, Paul de Vrieze wrote:

> It is currently a pilot. If this way works out, we will use it for other 
> manager elections too.
> 
> Paul

So am I wrong in assuming that this means positions will now be handed
out by popular vote instead of actual qualifications? If your everyones
buddy, you can get voted in and still possibly not know what your doing?

Hmmmm please help me understand this process better?

Thanks,

trance

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Call for nominations

[Donnie Berkholz]

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On Wed, 2003-11-05 at 03:21, Kevyn Shortell wrote:
> On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 00:37, Paul de Vrieze wrote:
> 
> > It is currently a pilot. If this way works out, we will use it for other 
> > manager elections too.
> > 
> > Paul
> 
> So am I wrong in assuming that this means positions will now be handed
> out by popular vote instead of actual qualifications? If your everyones
> buddy, you can get voted in and still possibly not know what your doing?
> 
> Hmmmm please help me understand this process better?

I would hope a vote would be consistent with qualifications, regardless
of whether it's the managers voting, devs in relevant projects, or all
devs. People who consider Gentoo some sort of popularity contest need to
step back and get a new perspective.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Call for nominations

[Luke-Jr]

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On Wednesday 05 November 2003 08:21 am, Kevyn Shortell wrote:
> So am I wrong in assuming that this means positions will now be handed
> out by popular vote instead of actual qualifications? If your everyones
> buddy, you can get voted in and still possibly not know what your doing?
>
> Hmmmm please help me understand this process better?
I think the idea is that you nominate people who you think qualify for the 
position and then vote on which nominee qualifies best... Basicly, it's 
handed out by qualifications, but the majority of a group is deciding who it 
is that qualifies instead of any particular individual.
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Developer, Gentoo Linux
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Call for nominations

[Paul de Vrieze]

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On Wednesday 05 November 2003 09:21, Kevyn Shortell wrote:
> On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 00:37, Paul de Vrieze wrote:
> > It is currently a pilot. If this way works out, we will use it for
> > other manager elections too.
> >
> > Paul
>
> So am I wrong in assuming that this means positions will now be handed
> out by popular vote instead of actual qualifications? If your
> everyones buddy, you can get voted in and still possibly not know what
> your doing?
>
> Hmmmm please help me understand this process better?
>

No, the managers will be voting, and in relative privacy. However all 
people have the opportunity to nominate others. If you are nominated 
that means you are taken into consideration. We also want arguments on 
why this person should be nominated in your view.

After all people have been nominated (managers can nominate too) I will 
post a list of all nominees. I will however not post all reasons why 
they should be nominated, or how many people nominated them. They 
everyone has a chance to tell the management team why certain people 
should not be chosen as desktop lead.

After that the management team will discuss the nominees and vote who we 
prefer, and, if we think that person is qualified (so it could 
theoretically be that no-one is elected). Here I assume that the 
management team can manage itself well enough such as not making the 
vote a popularity contest, but that actual qualifications are taken into 
account.

Paul

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Paul de Vrieze
Gentoo Developer
Mail: pauldv@gentoo.org
Homepage: http://www.devrieze.net
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Call for nominations

[Jon Portnoy]

On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 12:21:17AM -0800, Kevyn Shortell wrote:
> On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 00:37, Paul de Vrieze wrote:
> 
> > It is currently a pilot. If this way works out, we will use it for other 
> > manager elections too.
> > 
> > Paul
> 
> So am I wrong in assuming that this means positions will now be handed
> out by popular vote instead of actual qualifications? If your everyones
> buddy, you can get voted in and still possibly not know what your doing?
> 
> Hmmmm please help me understand this process better?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> trance

When people were being picked out by managers, there was a "that's not 
democratic!" outcry. Apparently when people are being picked out 
democratically, that's also a bad thing.

Heh.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Call for nominations

[foser]

On Wed, 2003-11-05 at 17:35, Jon Portnoy wrote:
> When people were being picked out by managers, there was a "that's not 
> democratic!" outcry. Apparently when people are being picked out 
> democratically, that's also a bad thing.

Nah, don't bring democracy into this, cause it still doesn't come close.

Although this is a good first step, i think it still doesn't go far
enough. Not just the managers should be able to vote on a new manager,
also the teams (herds) affected at least and maybe all devs to some
degree.

- foser


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