* [gentoo-dev] NPTL ready yet?
@ 2003-10-27 4:28 Joseph Pingenot
2003-10-27 4:46 ` Adam Porich
2003-10-29 2:36 ` Joseph Pingenot
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From: Joseph Pingenot @ 2003-10-27 4:28 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-dev
Hello.
Is NPTL considered ready to use yet? I've finally gotten 2.6 to work, and
I can't wait to get full use o the threading improvements. :)
-Joseph
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An audience member pointed out that many open source projects aren't
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* Re: [gentoo-dev] NPTL ready yet?
2003-10-27 4:28 [gentoo-dev] NPTL ready yet? Joseph Pingenot
@ 2003-10-27 4:46 ` Adam Porich
2003-10-27 6:35 ` Matthew Kennedy
2003-10-27 9:13 ` Christophe Vanfleteren
2003-10-29 2:36 ` Joseph Pingenot
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From: Adam Porich @ 2003-10-27 4:46 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-dev
I have been using it for 3 or 4 weeks, with nvidia drivers and mm-sources, no problems at all.
On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 22:28:42 -0600
Joseph Pingenot <trelane@digitasaru.net> wrote:
> Hello.
>
> Is NPTL considered ready to use yet? I've finally gotten 2.6 to work, and
> I can't wait to get full use o the threading improvements. :)
>
> -Joseph
> --
> Joseph===============================================trelane@digitasaru.net
> "Asked by CollabNet CTO Brian Behlendorf whether Microsoft will enforce its
> patents against open source projects, Mundie replied, 'Yes, absolutely.'
> An audience member pointed out that many open source projects aren't
> funded and so can't afford legal representation to rival Microsoft's. 'Oh
> well,' said Mundie. 'Get your money, and let's go to court.'
> Microsoft's patents only defensive? http://swpat.ffii.org/players/microsoft
>
> --
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* Re: [gentoo-dev] NPTL ready yet?
2003-10-27 4:46 ` Adam Porich
@ 2003-10-27 6:35 ` Matthew Kennedy
2003-10-27 12:56 ` Mike Frysinger
2003-10-27 9:13 ` Christophe Vanfleteren
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From: Matthew Kennedy @ 2003-10-27 6:35 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-dev
Adam Porich <adam@burrabooks.com> writes:
> I have been using it for 3 or 4 weeks, with nvidia drivers and mm-sources, no problems at all.
>
[...]
Whats involved in updating a non-NPTL glibc to NPTL glibc? Just
"USE=nptl emerge glibc" or do other libraries and binaries need to be
re-emerged also?
Also, do you know if the nvidia drivers work with
development-sources? (My guess is they do?)
Thanks,
Matt
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* Re: [gentoo-dev] NPTL ready yet?
2003-10-27 4:46 ` Adam Porich
2003-10-27 6:35 ` Matthew Kennedy
@ 2003-10-27 9:13 ` Christophe Vanfleteren
2003-10-27 18:02 ` Martin Schlemmer
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From: Christophe Vanfleteren @ 2003-10-27 9:13 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-dev
On Monday 27 October 2003 05:46, Adam Porich wrote:
> I have been using it for 3 or 4 weeks, with nvidia drivers and mm-sources,
> no problems at all.
>
Have you been able to get java working?
Last time I compiled glibc with NPTL, javac crashed constantly (with both sun
and blackdown jdks).
--
mvg,
Christophe Vanfleteren
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* Re: [gentoo-dev] NPTL ready yet?
2003-10-27 6:35 ` Matthew Kennedy
@ 2003-10-27 12:56 ` Mike Frysinger
2003-10-29 12:16 ` Jason Stubbs
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From: Mike Frysinger @ 2003-10-27 12:56 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-dev
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On Monday 27 October 2003 01:35, Matthew Kennedy wrote:
> Whats involved in updating a non-NPTL glibc to NPTL glibc? Just
> "USE=nptl emerge glibc" or do other libraries and binaries need to be
> re-emerged also?
no, just re-emerging glibc with nptl in USE is enough
> Also, do you know if the nvidia drivers work with
> development-sources? (My guess is they do?)
if by development sources you mean 2.6.x then yes, they have since 2.5.x
oh, and here's my thumbs up to using NPTL ... ive been using it since 2.5.x
and havent found significant bugs ... and/or any that havent been fixed so
far ...
-mike
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* Re: [gentoo-dev] NPTL ready yet?
2003-10-27 9:13 ` Christophe Vanfleteren
@ 2003-10-27 18:02 ` Martin Schlemmer
2003-10-27 19:30 ` Paul de Vrieze
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From: Martin Schlemmer @ 2003-10-27 18:02 UTC (permalink / raw
To: Christophe Vanfleteren; +Cc: Gentoo-Dev
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On Mon, 2003-10-27 at 11:13, Christophe Vanfleteren wrote:
> On Monday 27 October 2003 05:46, Adam Porich wrote:
> > I have been using it for 3 or 4 weeks, with nvidia drivers and mm-sources,
> > no problems at all.
> >
>
> Have you been able to get java working?
> Last time I compiled glibc with NPTL, javac crashed constantly (with both sun
> and blackdown jdks).
I had this issue as well, but it was pretty much an odd problem that
surfaced on any gcc3 system back then (except if we are talking
different issue, but then I have been using NPTL for close a year now,
and cant remember issues like that), and not NPTL specific.
Thanks,
--
Martin Schlemmer
Gentoo Linux Developer, Desktop/System Team Developer
Cape Town, South Africa
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* Re: [gentoo-dev] NPTL ready yet?
2003-10-27 18:02 ` Martin Schlemmer
@ 2003-10-27 19:30 ` Paul de Vrieze
2003-10-27 21:27 ` Martin Schlemmer
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From: Paul de Vrieze @ 2003-10-27 19:30 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-dev
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On Monday 27 October 2003 19:02, Martin Schlemmer wrote:
> On Mon, 2003-10-27 at 11:13, Christophe Vanfleteren wrote:
> > On Monday 27 October 2003 05:46, Adam Porich wrote:
> > > I have been using it for 3 or 4 weeks, with nvidia drivers and
> > > mm-sources, no problems at all.
> >
> > Have you been able to get java working?
> > Last time I compiled glibc with NPTL, javac crashed constantly (with
> > both sun and blackdown jdks).
>
> I had this issue as well, but it was pretty much an odd problem that
> surfaced on any gcc3 system back then (except if we are talking
> different issue, but then I have been using NPTL for close a year now,
> and cant remember issues like that), and not NPTL specific.
>
To that respect, is there a good 2.4 NPTL kernel that you can recommend?
Paul
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Gentoo Developer
Mail: pauldv@gentoo.org
Homepage: http://www.devrieze.net
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* Re: [gentoo-dev] NPTL ready yet?
2003-10-27 19:30 ` Paul de Vrieze
@ 2003-10-27 21:27 ` Martin Schlemmer
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From: Martin Schlemmer @ 2003-10-27 21:27 UTC (permalink / raw
To: Paul de Vrieze; +Cc: Gentoo-Dev
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On Mon, 2003-10-27 at 21:30, Paul de Vrieze wrote:
> On Monday 27 October 2003 19:02, Martin Schlemmer wrote:
> > On Mon, 2003-10-27 at 11:13, Christophe Vanfleteren wrote:
> > > On Monday 27 October 2003 05:46, Adam Porich wrote:
> > > > I have been using it for 3 or 4 weeks, with nvidia drivers and
> > > > mm-sources, no problems at all.
> > >
> > > Have you been able to get java working?
> > > Last time I compiled glibc with NPTL, javac crashed constantly (with
> > > both sun and blackdown jdks).
> >
> > I had this issue as well, but it was pretty much an odd problem that
> > surfaced on any gcc3 system back then (except if we are talking
> > different issue, but then I have been using NPTL for close a year now,
> > and cant remember issues like that), and not NPTL specific.
> >
>
> To that respect, is there a good 2.4 NPTL kernel that you can recommend?
>
You will have to look toward getting a Redhat kernel into the tree, or
possibly try to rip the critical patches out of one ...
Cheers,
--
Martin Schlemmer
Gentoo Linux Developer, Desktop/System Team Developer
Cape Town, South Africa
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* Re: [gentoo-dev] NPTL ready yet?
2003-10-27 4:28 [gentoo-dev] NPTL ready yet? Joseph Pingenot
2003-10-27 4:46 ` Adam Porich
@ 2003-10-29 2:36 ` Joseph Pingenot
2003-10-29 3:23 ` Mike Frysinger
1 sibling, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread
From: Joseph Pingenot @ 2003-10-29 2:36 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-dev
>From Joseph Pingenot on Sunday, 26 October, 2003:
>Hello.
>Is NPTL considered ready to use yet? I've finally gotten 2.6 to work, and
> I can't wait to get full use o the threading improvements. :)
Whelp, it looks like, as of last night, it's not. Enabling nptl hosed
devfs, at least. Which makes me rather unhappy, since I then can't boot.
;)
It looked like the build didn't go so hot anyway, for whatever that's worth.
-Joseph
--
Joseph===============================================trelane@digitasaru.net
"Asked by CollabNet CTO Brian Behlendorf whether Microsoft will enforce its
patents against open source projects, Mundie replied, 'Yes, absolutely.'
An audience member pointed out that many open source projects aren't
funded and so can't afford legal representation to rival Microsoft's. 'Oh
well,' said Mundie. 'Get your money, and let's go to court.'
Microsoft's patents only defensive? http://swpat.ffii.org/players/microsoft
--
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* Re: [gentoo-dev] NPTL ready yet?
2003-10-29 2:36 ` Joseph Pingenot
@ 2003-10-29 3:23 ` Mike Frysinger
2003-10-29 3:35 ` Joseph Pingenot
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From: Mike Frysinger @ 2003-10-29 3:23 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-dev
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On Tuesday 28 October 2003 21:36, Joseph Pingenot wrote:
> Whelp, it looks like, as of last night, it's not. Enabling nptl hosed
> devfs, at least. Which makes me rather unhappy, since I then can't boot.
> ;)
> It looked like the build didn't go so hot anyway, for whatever that's
> worth. -Joseph
i use devfs in NPTL w/out any problems ...
you can boot w/out devfs ;)
i use udev currently ... that isnt devfs ...
-mike
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* Re: [gentoo-dev] NPTL ready yet?
2003-10-29 3:23 ` Mike Frysinger
@ 2003-10-29 3:35 ` Joseph Pingenot
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From: Joseph Pingenot @ 2003-10-29 3:35 UTC (permalink / raw
To: Mike Frysinger; +Cc: gentoo-dev
>From Mike Frysinger on Tuesday, 28 October, 2003:
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>On Tuesday 28 October 2003 21:36, Joseph Pingenot wrote:
>> Whelp, it looks like, as of last night, it's not. Enabling nptl hosed
>> devfs, at least. Which makes me rather unhappy, since I then can't boot.
>> ;)
>> It looked like the build didn't go so hot anyway, for whatever that's
>> worth. -Joseph
>i use devfs in NPTL w/out any problems ...
>you can boot w/out devfs ;)
>i use udev currently ... that isnt devfs ...
I got an error when devfs was linking to libc, it was missing a symbol
related to GLIBC, iirc. I don't have it written down, unfortunately.
-Joseph
--
Joseph===============================================trelane@digitasaru.net
"Asked by CollabNet CTO Brian Behlendorf whether Microsoft will enforce its
patents against open source projects, Mundie replied, 'Yes, absolutely.'
An audience member pointed out that many open source projects aren't
funded and so can't afford legal representation to rival Microsoft's. 'Oh
well,' said Mundie. 'Get your money, and let's go to court.'
Microsoft's patents only defensive? http://swpat.ffii.org/players/microsoft
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* Re: [gentoo-dev] NPTL ready yet?
2003-10-27 12:56 ` Mike Frysinger
@ 2003-10-29 12:16 ` Jason Stubbs
2003-10-29 12:56 ` Paul de Vrieze
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From: Jason Stubbs @ 2003-10-29 12:16 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-dev
I used NPTL for about four weeks and had no problems except that canna, a
Japanese input server, would not start. Other than that, I didn't detect any
change in the system, performance-wise or otherwise.
On Monday 27 October 2003 21:56, Mike Frysinger wrote:
> On Monday 27 October 2003 01:35, Matthew Kennedy wrote:
> > Whats involved in updating a non-NPTL glibc to NPTL glibc? Just
> > "USE=nptl emerge glibc" or do other libraries and binaries need to be
> > re-emerged also?
>
> no, just re-emerging glibc with nptl in USE is enough
As far as I know, only OpenOffice and Sun JRE/JDK have support for NPTL.
Wouldn't these need to be re-emerged to take advantage of it?
Regards,
Jason
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* Re: [gentoo-dev] NPTL ready yet?
2003-10-29 12:16 ` Jason Stubbs
@ 2003-10-29 12:56 ` Paul de Vrieze
2003-10-29 17:40 ` Martin Schlemmer
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From: Paul de Vrieze @ 2003-10-29 12:56 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-dev
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On Wednesday 29 October 2003 13:16, Jason Stubbs wrote:
> I used NPTL for about four weeks and had no problems except that
> canna, a Japanese input server, would not start. Other than that, I
> didn't detect any change in the system, performance-wise or otherwise.
>
> On Monday 27 October 2003 21:56, Mike Frysinger wrote:
> > On Monday 27 October 2003 01:35, Matthew Kennedy wrote:
> > > Whats involved in updating a non-NPTL glibc to NPTL glibc? Just
> > > "USE=nptl emerge glibc" or do other libraries and binaries need to
> > > be re-emerged also?
> >
> > no, just re-emerging glibc with nptl in USE is enough
>
> As far as I know, only OpenOffice and Sun JRE/JDK have support for
> NPTL. Wouldn't these need to be re-emerged to take advantage of it?
I don't know about openoffice remerging. Basically the support consists
of making openoffice compile on nptl based systems. An allready compiled
openoffice should though run fine with nptl.
It seems that the same is true for the j2sdk java source package (looking
at the patch). It could be however that the headers from the nptl
implementation of pthreads allow better optimization, but I don't know.
In that case you would need to recompile everything that uses the
pthread lib.
Paul
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Mail: pauldv@gentoo.org
Homepage: http://www.devrieze.net
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* Re: [gentoo-dev] NPTL ready yet?
2003-10-29 12:56 ` Paul de Vrieze
@ 2003-10-29 17:40 ` Martin Schlemmer
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From: Martin Schlemmer @ 2003-10-29 17:40 UTC (permalink / raw
To: Paul de Vrieze; +Cc: Gentoo-Dev
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> On Wednesday 29 October 2003 13:16, Jason Stubbs wrote:
> > I used NPTL for about four weeks and had no problems except that
> > canna, a Japanese input server, would not start. Other than that, I
> > didn't detect any change in the system, performance-wise or otherwise.
> >
> > On Monday 27 October 2003 21:56, Mike Frysinger wrote:
> > > On Monday 27 October 2003 01:35, Matthew Kennedy wrote:
> > > > Whats involved in updating a non-NPTL glibc to NPTL glibc? Just
> > > > "USE=nptl emerge glibc" or do other libraries and binaries need to
> > > > be re-emerged also?
> > >
> > > no, just re-emerging glibc with nptl in USE is enough
> >
> > As far as I know, only OpenOffice and Sun JRE/JDK have support for
> > NPTL. Wouldn't these need to be re-emerged to take advantage of it?
>
> I don't know about openoffice remerging. Basically the support consists
> of making openoffice compile on nptl based systems. An allready compiled
> openoffice should though run fine with nptl.
>
> It seems that the same is true for the j2sdk java source package (looking
> at the patch). It could be however that the headers from the nptl
> implementation of pthreads allow better optimization, but I don't know.
> In that case you would need to recompile everything that uses the
> pthread lib.
>
AFIAK, you do not need to recompile anything to use it - anything using
libpthread will use it. You may however have issues recompiling things
as there was some changes, and things heavy dependent on how
linuxthreads worked (valgrind, gdb, etc) may or may not misbehave, but
mostly the rest works just fine.
Thanks,
--
Martin Schlemmer
Gentoo Linux Developer, Desktop/System Team Developer
Cape Town, South Africa
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