From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 15605 invoked by uid 1002); 4 Oct 2003 23:34:34 -0000 Mailing-List: contact gentoo-dev-help@gentoo.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Received: (qmail 12767 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2003 23:34:34 -0000 X-WM-Posted-At: mailandnews.com; Sat, 4 Oct 03 19:34:34 -0400 From: Jason Stubbs To: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 08:28:33 +0900 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.9 References: <3F7D4315.1020900@gentoo.org> <200310041357.52026.luke-jr@gentoo.org> <20031004161307.GA2251@cerberus.oppresses.us> In-Reply-To: <20031004161307.GA2251@cerberus.oppresses.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200310050828.34578.jasonbstubbs@mailandnews.com> Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Speaking of new kernels being added to the tree X-Archives-Salt: 476febff-554f-443b-baf3-44e072fe0cfd X-Archives-Hash: 405271950f21602ab7968241039ab8e5 On Sunday 05 October 2003 01:13, Jon Portnoy wrote: > On Sat, Oct 04, 2003 at 01:57:42PM +0000, Luke-Jr wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > On Saturday 04 October 2003 01:50 pm, Patrick B=F6rjesson wrote: > > > I've always thought of genkernel as a tool for those not "competent" > > > enough to compile the kernel by them selves... As such I don't think = it > > > should be something that is used by default but rather something that > > > gets mentioned in the install-docs, and not forced on users. > > > > Compiling the kernel is quite simple: 'make bzImage modules' > > I believe you mean configuring, which genkernel still lets you do. > > Also, as I said, there could be a -src suffix to install the source. For > > example, what about people who would consider themselves "competent" > > enough to compile GCC or KDE themselves? =3Dp > > Every dev and user who has responded has said it's a Very Bad Idea. Why > are you still arguing for it? Ahem? I think the main point to the discussion is new users. I, too, have never u= sed=20 genkernel so don't know how viable the idea of using it in its current stat= e=20 would be. Nor am I admonishing that it should be the "only way to go".=20 However, everything in Gentoo is configured, compiled and installed through= =20 the single emerge command. It would make most sense to me to choose what=20 classes of drivers/functionality I wanted through USE flags and then do=20 post-installation configuration through /etc/modules.autoload*. Can anyone= =20 say why the kernel is special and should be done differently? - other than = if=20 it ain't broke don't fix it!=20 I'm with almost all other people in that it would not be a high priority fo= r=20 some time to come. On the other hand, I'm against people who are putting=20 forward arguments that the kernel is somehow special. Almost every other=20 package is installed with extra cruft so that can't be used as an excuse.=20 Gentoo is about making things easier for everyone which means safe defaults= =20 and easily accessible complete customisation, so Luke-Jr's idea at least=20 deserves consideration rather than instant dismissal. Jason -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list