From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 5908 invoked by uid 1002); 4 Oct 2003 14:18:31 -0000 Mailing-List: contact gentoo-dev-help@gentoo.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Received: (qmail 5593 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2003 14:18:31 -0000 From: Stuart Herbert To: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 15:15:45 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.3 References: <3F7D4315.1020900@gentoo.org> <200310041451.00705.stuart@gentoo.org> <200310041404.56692.luke-jr@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <200310041404.56692.luke-jr@gentoo.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Boundary-02=_RYtf/uTURzWepsC"; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200310041515.45974.stuart@gentoo.org> Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Speaking of new kernels being added to the tree X-Archives-Salt: 3a2bcf9a-2c0b-4fd0-b561-95402a3efc7c X-Archives-Hash: 6fddaac4b8e915ffbc9aa6e085f90b06 --Boundary-02=_RYtf/uTURzWepsC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Description: signed data Content-Disposition: inline On Saturday 04 October 2003 3:04 pm, Luke-Jr wrote: > emerge linux-mm-src, then. or emerge linux-redhat-src, if you prefer. Sorry, but renaming packages always makes a mess of upgrades. I've done it= =20 myself in the past, but I'm reluctant to do it again until Portage provides= =20 us with tools to automate the migration for users. Besides, what value is there in adding 'linux-' in front of the different=20 kernel names? I know Gentoo's being ported to run on more than just the=20 Linux kernel, but still. Seems like change for change's sake. > Just because you choose not to use it doesn't mean you should be forcing > other people not to be able to. This provides the *option* to use it. > Options are always best. Simplicity is always best. Options are good, but only when they add=20 measurable value. Or when they're just too cool to leave out ;-) > That annoying habit is what should be fixed, then. Using a bug as a reason > to not implement a feature isn't a good idea... =3Dp If it was that easy, I think someone would have fixed it by now ... ;-) Tb= h,=20 the fix is probably just to slot the module, using a combination of the=20 target kernel version and the module's version. If what you're proposing are changes *just* to genkernel, then I don't real= ly=20 care what you do. But you're talking like you're suggesting fundamental=20 changes to the kernel ebuilds themselves. *That's* what I'm objecting to ;= =2D) > For the most part, what I am suggesting is adding options, not removing > them. Where people used vanilla-sources in the past (which is quite vague > actually; why should one assume -sources means it's Linux?),=20 Erm, because the package is actually called sys-kernel/vanilla-sources,=20 perhaps? ;-) And because the distribution is known as Gentoo Linux? ;-) Seriously, I do see the problem you're describing. But before you go aroun= d=20 renaming packages, please implement a solution in Portage that will=20 automatically handle 'emerge -u' when the package has been renamed. Thanks, Stu =2D-=20 Stuart Herbert stuart@gentoo.o= rg Gentoo Developer http://www.gentoo.or= g/ Beta packages for download http://dev.gentoo.org/~stuart/package= s/ Come and meet me in March 2004 http://www.phparch.com/cruis= e/ GnuGP key id# F9AFC57C available from http://pgp.mit.edu Key fingerprint =3D 31FB 50D4 1F88 E227 F319 C549 0C2F 80BA F9AF C57C =2D- --Boundary-02=_RYtf/uTURzWepsC Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQA/ftYRDC+AuvmvxXwRAmkyAKCC+JtSPWLVsZJKw6vFGeq8xjRUAgCgjTew QUD0dVvvl1tnZV2H1K/gFE4= =29b0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Boundary-02=_RYtf/uTURzWepsC--