[gentoo-dev] ATTN ALL DEVS

[gentoo-dev] ATTN ALL DEVS

[Benjamin Coles]

To all Gentoo Developers,
	In hopes of better organization and we've decided to label 
projects and subprojects to get a better feel of whats going on. We're 
lacking because none of the developers are signing up to their respected 
herds, so in hopes to sort this out, we're approaching this from a 
different angle. Paul de Vrieze and I are currently collecting data from 
all the developers such as personal info, project info, and other various 
info. Who will this information be available to? Anyone in your 
herd/project plus senior level management along with gentoo Infrastructure 
team... we are managing this data after all. Some of this information will 
be public which I'll sort out below. If you have any questions about who 
will see or what you want to fill out, feel free to email me. The photo's 
you can send me much later, for now we're just trying to fill in the 
blanks. Hopefully we'll have a system you can submit your own pictures.

What I need from you?

Public Information
Alias
First Name/Last name
Email@gentoo.org
Date Joined 
Birthday
Country
Passport type photo: optional - size 140x100
pgp key - optional
Alt Webpage - Optional, personal, nothing incriminating
Project/Herd - If you have yet to join one, you can include a description 
	     - of what you're doing

Private restricted to Dev only information
AltEmail
personal picture - what you would like to have on GWN if you're featured 
		   430x334 - gives you some warning=) Optional

Private restricted to Management only information
Snail Mail Address
Phone
AltPhone

	This information should get the ball running on a lot of higher up 
projects, or so we should hope, Email me this information at your 
discretion so I can populate the database.

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Thanks,
Benjamin Coles
Gentoo Infrastructure
sj7trunks@gentoo.org


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Re: [gentoo-dev] ATTN ALL DEVS

[Aron Griffis]

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Benjamin Coles wrote:	[Fri Sep 26 2003, 05:43:59PM EDT]
> Passport type photo: optional - size 140x100

Is that 140 height or width?  Generally I'd think the first dimension is
width, but passport photos are generally taller than they are wide.

Aron

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Re: [gentoo-dev] ATTN ALL DEVS

[Benjamin Coles]

Does anyone know the specs of a passport photo... I just know of the ones 
I see in the movies on the cia databases... Paul gave me that spec so I 
assumed it was correct.

sj7trunks


On Fri, 26 Sep 2003, Aron Griffis wrote:

> Benjamin Coles wrote:	[Fri Sep 26 2003, 05:43:59PM EDT]
> > Passport type photo: optional - size 140x100
> 
> Is that 140 height or width?  Generally I'd think the first dimension is
> width, but passport photos are generally taller than they are wide.
> 
> Aron
> 

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Re: [gentoo-dev] ATTN ALL DEVS

[Lisa Seelye]

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On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 18:17, Benjamin Coles wrote:
> Does anyone know the specs of a passport photo... I just know of the ones 
> I see in the movies on the cia databases... Paul gave me that spec so I 
> assumed it was correct.

For the United States, 3.5cm across and 4.5cm tall.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] ATTN ALL DEVS

[Ned Ludd]

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hey if this is all going onto a database why not make a webform (php or
other) that we devs can just go fill out ourself.

On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 17:43, Benjamin Coles wrote:
> To all Gentoo Developers,
> 	In hopes of better organization and we've decided to label 
> projects and subprojects to get a better feel of whats going on. We're 
> lacking because none of the developers are signing up to their respected 
> herds, so in hopes to sort this out, we're approaching this from a 
> different angle. Paul de Vrieze and I are currently collecting data from 
> all the developers such as personal info, project info, and other various 
> info. Who will this information be available to? Anyone in your 
> herd/project plus senior level management along with gentoo Infrastructure 
> team... we are managing this data after all. Some of this information will 
> be public which I'll sort out below. If you have any questions about who 
> will see or what you want to fill out, feel free to email me. The photo's 
> you can send me much later, for now we're just trying to fill in the 
> blanks. Hopefully we'll have a system you can submit your own pictures.
> 
> What I need from you?
> 
> Public Information
> Alias
> First Name/Last name
> Email@gentoo.org
> Date Joined 
> Birthday
> Country
> Passport type photo: optional - size 140x100
> pgp key - optional
> Alt Webpage - Optional, personal, nothing incriminating
> Project/Herd - If you have yet to join one, you can include a description 
> 	     - of what you're doing
> 
> Private restricted to Dev only information
> AltEmail
> personal picture - what you would like to have on GWN if you're featured 
> 		   430x334 - gives you some warning=) Optional
> 
> Private restricted to Management only information
> Snail Mail Address
> Phone
> AltPhone
> 
> 	This information should get the ball running on a lot of higher up 
> projects, or so we should hope, Email me this information at your 
> discretion so I can populate the database.
> 
> -------
> Thanks,
> Benjamin Coles
> Gentoo Infrastructure
> sj7trunks@gentoo.org
> 
> 
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Re: [gentoo-dev] ATTN ALL DEVS

[Benjamin Coles]

	I actually thought of that and built a database with php functions 
and the whole nine yards. One major problem, we use xml and they want to 
stick to format and parse data from those type of files. Since we have no 
.xml database, it's a new area and it'd make better sense for us to have 
data and we could code around it.

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Benjamin Coles
Gentoo Infrastructure


On Fri, 26 Sep 2003, Ned Ludd wrote:

> hey if this is all going onto a database why not make a webform (php or
> other) that we devs can just go fill out ourself.
> 
> On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 17:43, Benjamin Coles wrote:
> > To all Gentoo Developers,
> > 	In hopes of better organization and we've decided to label 
> > projects and subprojects to get a better feel of whats going on. We're 
> > lacking because none of the developers are signing up to their respected 
> > herds, so in hopes to sort this out, we're approaching this from a 
> > different angle. Paul de Vrieze and I are currently collecting data from 
> > all the developers such as personal info, project info, and other various 
> > info. Who will this information be available to? Anyone in your 
> > herd/project plus senior level management along with gentoo Infrastructure 
> > team... we are managing this data after all. Some of this information will 
> > be public which I'll sort out below. If you have any questions about who 
> > will see or what you want to fill out, feel free to email me. The photo's 
> > you can send me much later, for now we're just trying to fill in the 
> > blanks. Hopefully we'll have a system you can submit your own pictures.
> > 
> > What I need from you?
> > 
> > Public Information
> > Alias
> > First Name/Last name
> > Email@gentoo.org
> > Date Joined 
> > Birthday
> > Country
> > Passport type photo: optional - size 140x100
> > pgp key - optional
> > Alt Webpage - Optional, personal, nothing incriminating
> > Project/Herd - If you have yet to join one, you can include a description 
> > 	     - of what you're doing
> > 
> > Private restricted to Dev only information
> > AltEmail
> > personal picture - what you would like to have on GWN if you're featured 
> > 		   430x334 - gives you some warning=) Optional
> > 
> > Private restricted to Management only information
> > Snail Mail Address
> > Phone
> > AltPhone
> > 
> > 	This information should get the ball running on a lot of higher up 
> > projects, or so we should hope, Email me this information at your 
> > discretion so I can populate the database.
> > 
> > -------
> > Thanks,
> > Benjamin Coles
> > Gentoo Infrastructure
> > sj7trunks@gentoo.org
> > 
> > 
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Re: [gentoo-dev] ATTN ALL DEVS

[Paul de Vrieze]

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On Saturday 27 September 2003 00:30, Lisa Seelye wrote:
> On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 18:17, Benjamin Coles wrote:
> > Does anyone know the specs of a passport photo... I just know of the ones
> > I see in the movies on the cia databases... Paul gave me that spec so I
> > assumed it was correct.
>
> For the United States, 3.5cm across and 4.5cm tall.

OF course they should be 100x140 indeed. But if people prefer 120*160 (which 
is perfectly 3:4) that should be no problem, the idea is to have a way to 
have a picture of a developer. Some of the "social" photo's are more taken 
sideways. It is very hard to recognise someone on it. We're not issuing 
passports though, so it is not that strickt, as long as the main part of the 
photo is a face, and it is taken sort of from the front.

Paul

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Re: [gentoo-dev] ATTN ALL DEVS

[Brett]

On Sat, 2003-09-27 at 07:43, Benjamin Coles wrote:
> What I need from you?
> 
> Public Information
> Birthday
> Country

Can I ask why birthday and country need to be public? or even known at
all?

Brett


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Re: [gentoo-dev] ATTN ALL DEVS

[Mike Frysinger]

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On Sunday 28 September 2003 23:15, Brett wrote:
> On Sat, 2003-09-27 at 07:43, Benjamin Coles wrote:
> > What I need from you?
> >
> > Public Information
> > Birthday
> > Country
>
> Can I ask why birthday and country need to be public? or even known at
> all?

does it really matter ?  it's just one of those neat factors ... 'hey happy 
b-day !'
who cares if people know your birthday, it's not like we're gonna get a rash 
of gentoo birthday stalkers ... 'TODAY IS YOUR BIRTHDAY AND IT'S TIME TO DIE'
-mike

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Re: [gentoo-dev] ATTN ALL DEVS

[Rajiv Aaron Manglani]

>who cares if people know your birthday, it's not like we're gonna get a rash

it is a piece of information that can help identity thieves.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] ATTN ALL DEVS

[Georgi Georgiev]

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On 28/09/2003 at 23:37:28(-0400), Mike Frysinger used 1.6K just to say:
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> On Sunday 28 September 2003 23:15, Brett wrote:
> > On Sat, 2003-09-27 at 07:43, Benjamin Coles wrote:
> > > What I need from you?
> > >
> > > Public Information
> > > Birthday
> > > Country
> >
> > Can I ask why birthday and country need to be public? or even known at
> > all?
> 
> does it really matter ?  it's just one of those neat factors ... 'hey happy 
> b-day !'
> who cares if people know your birthday, it's not like we're gonna get a rash 
> of gentoo birthday stalkers ... 'TODAY IS YOUR BIRTHDAY AND IT'S TIME TO DIE'

Actually in Japan knowing someone's birthday (...birthDATE actually) is
sometimes enough to convince someone over the phone that YOU are the person in
question. Gentoo has a bunch of Japanese devs and I wouldn't be surprised if
they don't feel like sharing that info.

Hell, I even know plenty of people who don't want to do any online shopping,
because they don't want to give away their address.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] ATTN ALL DEVS

[Paul de Vrieze]

> On 28/09/2003 at 23:37:28(-0400), Mike Frysinger used 1.6K just to say:
>
> Actually in Japan knowing someone's birthday (...birthDATE actually) is
> sometimes enough to convince someone over the phone that YOU are the
> person in
> question. Gentoo has a bunch of Japanese devs and I wouldn't be surprised
> if
> they don't feel like sharing that info.
>
> Hell, I even know plenty of people who don't want to do any online
> shopping,
> because they don't want to give away their address.
>

I think birthday can private. Nothing is yet published anyway. I don't see
however the problem with the country of origin being public. The country
is allready published on the current developer list too. It can hardly be
said that it is identifying information, but it helps in knowing when
people can be contacted (timezone's).

Paul


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Re: [gentoo-dev] ATTN ALL DEVS

[Benjamin Coles]

Hrmm. It's my fault, that was supposed to be under the list of stuff only 
gentoo developers can see... I think I got them confused with joined date, 
but the country field would be nice to know and it's broad enough to say 
that someone can't identify your place of living from the provided info 
available to the public. Unless you have it on your website that is of 
course=P
-Benjamin Coles


On Mon, 29 Sep 2003, Paul de Vrieze wrote:

> > On 28/09/2003 at 23:37:28(-0400), Mike Frysinger used 1.6K just to say:
> >
> > Actually in Japan knowing someone's birthday (...birthDATE actually) is
> > sometimes enough to convince someone over the phone that YOU are the
> > person in
> > question. Gentoo has a bunch of Japanese devs and I wouldn't be surprised
> > if
> > they don't feel like sharing that info.
> >
> > Hell, I even know plenty of people who don't want to do any online
> > shopping,
> > because they don't want to give away their address.
> >
> 
> I think birthday can private. Nothing is yet published anyway. I don't see
> however the problem with the country of origin being public. The country
> is allready published on the current developer list too. It can hardly be
> said that it is identifying information, but it helps in knowing when
> people can be contacted (timezone's).
> 
> Paul
> 
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Re: [gentoo-dev] ATTN ALL DEVS

[Markus Nigbur]

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On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 02:16:55 -0400
Rajiv Aaron Manglani <rajiv@gentoo.org> wrote:

> >who cares if people know your birthday, it's not like we're gonna get
> >a rash
> 
> it is a piece of information that can help identity thieves.

Wanna go back to oldschool hacking? :)
Some people are just too paranoid.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] ATTN ALL DEVS

[Sven Vermeulen]

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On Mon, Sep 29, 2003 at 03:27:17PM +0200, Markus Nigbur wrote:
[... About birthday ...]
> > it is a piece of information that can help identity thieves.
> 
> Wanna go back to oldschool hacking? :)
> Some people are just too paranoid.

Guess I'll change my MasterCard PIN then... *oink* :)

	Sven Vermeulen


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Re: [gentoo-dev] ATTN ALL DEVS

[Luke-Jr]

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On Monday 29 September 2003 08:49 am, Paul de Vrieze wrote:
> it helps in knowing when people can be contacted (timezone's).
You're assuming someone's location has anything to do with when they can be 
contacted. If this is the purpose, I'd recommend changing it to "available 
times".
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Re: [gentoo-dev] ATTN ALL DEVS

[Lars Weiler]

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* Benjamin Coles <sj7trunks@gentoo.org> [03/09/26 14:43 -0700]:
>What I need from you?

As I talked with you and pauldv on IRC, you said, the
information will be published in different ways.  So, there
should be a manager's team who have to know all the
information and then we have an internal developer's page
with the information each developer wants to share and last
a public developer's page quite similar to the recent
dev-list.

Maybe you should create a kind of web-formular where
everybody can choose, where the information could be shown?

Regards, Lars

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Re: [gentoo-dev] ATTN ALL DEVS

[Paul de Vrieze]

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On Monday 29 September 2003 17:24, Luke-Jr wrote:
> On Monday 29 September 2003 08:49 am, Paul de Vrieze wrote:
> > it helps in knowing when people can be contacted (timezone's).
>
> You're assuming someone's location has anything to do with when they can be
> contacted. If this is the purpose, I'd recommend changing it to "available
> times".

Well, normally it works out, (notable exception is seemant) but it is also to 
show the "international" character of gentoo (whatever). I just don't see the 
point in keeping it private, and it adds an extra touch.

Paul

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Re: [gentoo-dev] ATTN ALL DEVS

[Paul de Vrieze]

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On Monday 29 September 2003 17:28, Lars Weiler wrote:
> * Benjamin Coles <sj7trunks@gentoo.org> [03/09/26 14:43 -0700]:
> >What I need from you?
>
> As I talked with you and pauldv on IRC, you said, the
> information will be published in different ways.  So, there
> should be a manager's team who have to know all the
> information and then we have an internal developer's page
> with the information each developer wants to share and last
> a public developer's page quite similar to the recent
> dev-list.
>
There will also be public developer pages beside the list that will show which 
packages are maintained by said developer and which projects he/she is 
working on.

> Maybe you should create a kind of web-formular where
> everybody can choose, where the information could be shown?

This could be hard, as we need to make sure that information is not spilled. 
(Like by viewcvs or the passthru option of axkit (currently not enabled))

Paul

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Re: [gentoo-dev] ATTN ALL DEVS

[Stuart Herbert]

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On Monday 29 September 2003 9:03 pm, Paul de Vrieze wrote:
> > Maybe you should create a kind of web-formular where
> > everybody can choose, where the information could be shown?
>
> This could be hard, as we need to make sure that information is not
> spilled. (Like by viewcvs or the passthru option of axkit (currently not
> enabled))

Stick it in a database, and the difficulty goes away.  XML is best used for 
interchanging data; without a XML-aware database backend, it's a poor and 
limiting choice for the native data format.

Best regards,
Stu
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Re: [gentoo-dev] ATTN ALL DEVS

[Stuart Herbert]

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Sorry I haven't replied sooner - I've just come back from holiday ...

On Friday 26 September 2003 10:43 pm, Benjamin Coles wrote:
> Paul de Vrieze and I are currently collecting data from
> all the developers such as personal info, project info, and other various
> info. 

Which country are you in, and under which country's data protection laws will 
this information fall under?  If you are gathering this information, and you 
are based inside the EU (as I know Paul is), then exporting this data to the 
US (where Gentoo Inc is incorporated) falls under EU law.

The following information I don't have a problem with :)

> What I need from you?
>
> Public Information
> Alias
> First Name/Last name
> Email@gentoo.org
> Date Joined
> Country
> pgp key - optional
> Alt Webpage - Optional, personal, nothing incriminating
> Project/Herd - If you have yet to join one, you can include a description
> 	     - of what you're doing
> Passport type photo: optional - size 140x100
>
> Private restricted to Dev only information
> personal picture - what you would like to have on GWN if you're featured
> 		   430x334 - gives you some warning=) Optional
>

But this information I do :)

> Birthday
> AltEmail
> Private restricted to Management only information
> Snail Mail Address
> Phone
> AltPhone

You need to convince me that you are going to hold this sort of information in 
a secure manner, and that you have the infrastructure in place to administer 
this information for the future.  That includes internal procedures governing 
access to this information.  Naturally, being a UK citizen, I'd prefer you 
meet the standards of data management that our laws require.

Otherwise you can whistle ;-)

Best regards,
Stu
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Re: [gentoo-dev] ATTN ALL DEVS

[William Kenworthy]

In Australia, dob is often used as part of telephone banking identity
checking, and just about any identity checking process (online/telephone
and offline)  Whilst it is never (or should never be) used on its own,
it is part of the process - basicly posting you dob online is like
publicly declaring half your root password to your lifes assets ... and
your willing to gamble that someone wont have the other half?

BillK


On Mon, 2003-09-29 at 22:03, Sven Vermeulen wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 29, 2003 at 03:27:17PM +0200, Markus Nigbur wrote:
> [... About birthday ...]
> > > it is a piece of information that can help identity thieves.
> > 
> > Wanna go back to oldschool hacking? :)
> > Some people are just too paranoid.
> 
> Guess I'll change my MasterCard PIN then... *oink* :)
> 
> 	Sven Vermeulen
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