I was checking out the latest in the desktop area (I use a wm,and have for a while, but I like to see what's new and exciting), and the amount of depends getting listed is mind-boggling. For example, the KDE website says there is very little (if any) dependencies..but if certain libs are found it will build support for them..if not, you won't notice. For example- divx4linux? portmap? fam? win32codecs? A lot of this stuff isn't triggered by USE flags, either. I remember a ways back, emerging kde meant arts,qt and the 13 or 15 kde packages..which strangely enough all started with kde*. I rather suspect its the same in GNOME also, but it appears from a glance to a much smaller extent. I realize that it's probably to add more function for the busy or uninitiated, but after reading the previous threads, I too would like to see things closer to vanilla. I remember the frustrations of doing KDE from rpm and thinking stuff like "wtf, I don't want mysql or xanim or xine or OBDC or any of this other crap, I want to see what it looks like bare-bones style". I know I'm prolly gonna hear the "if you don't like it, don't build it" attitude at least once, but I'd just like to check something out without building 30 pkgs I wont see just to check out the 15 I will. -- Chuck Brewer Registered Linux User #284015 Get my gpg public key at pgp.mit.edu!! Encrypted e-mail preferred.