From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7821 invoked by uid 1002); 19 Sep 2003 15:32:47 -0000 Mailing-List: contact gentoo-dev-help@gentoo.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Received: (qmail 22330 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2003 15:32:47 -0000 From: Paul de Vrieze To: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 17:32:41 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.2 References: <200309071456.05700.jk@microgalaxy.net> <200309081616.43481.ellings@kcnet.com> In-Reply-To: <200309081616.43481.ellings@kcnet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Boundary-02=_ZGya/TxDlrz7LPy"; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200309191732.41727.pauldv@gentoo.org> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-8.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,PGP_SIGNATURE_2,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_KMAIL autolearn=ham version=2.55-uvt4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55-uvt4 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS-ng (Milter interface) Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Some suggestions X-Archives-Salt: 7d3e89b4-5d20-45c7-ad5a-d9825a6c3c01 X-Archives-Hash: b2d4eaa27031f5123b58f99e5bd5c8a1 --Boundary-02=_ZGya/TxDlrz7LPy Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Description: signed data Content-Disposition: inline > Here is another point I just remembered. Yes, using etc-update to "update > things when there is no need to do so" does not take that long... on a > single machine it is just an annoyance. But, I've been the administrator > of over 350 UNIX servers. Hell, I've been part of a small group > responsible for over 3000 UNIX servers. Image if all of them were gentoo > and you had to run etc-update on all of them. Would you be a happy campe= r? > Maybe after you got done and set up shop in the nearest clock tower. 8-) > In those cases it would probably be advisable to use a centralised=20 configuration management tool like cfengine. You also would not ssh into ea= ch=20 of the 3000 servers to update them, but you would use a tool. It is true th= at=20 such tools could be better supported by gentoo, but there are actually peop= le=20 working on such issues. Paul =2D-=20 Paul de Vrieze Gentoo Developer Mail: pauldv@gentoo.org Homepage: http://www.devrieze.net --Boundary-02=_ZGya/TxDlrz7LPy Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQA/ayGZbKx5DBjWFdsRAkeuAKDM5SHnhpxE+pvSWD2NWdaKpg+RAgCglV8i VpwO3j4MOlyHnl+eno4+VVY= =qUl4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Boundary-02=_ZGya/TxDlrz7LPy--