From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 30 invoked by uid 1002); 12 Aug 2003 13:05:51 -0000 Mailing-List: contact gentoo-dev-help@gentoo.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Received: (qmail 2582 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2003 13:05:51 -0000 Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 09:05:16 -0400 From: Kurt Lieber To: Sven Vermeulen Cc: Gentoo Dev Message-ID: <20030812130512.GE4094@mail.lieber.org> References: <20030804183108.GA6036@gentoo.org> <20030805131831.31f325d7.svyatogor@gentoo.org> <20030805114305.GA2819@gentoo.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="N1GIdlSm9i+YlY4t" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030805114305.GA2819@gentoo.org> X-GPG-Key: http://www.lieber.org/kurtl.pub.gpg User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP #10 -- Proposal for restructuring the CVS regarding documentation wrt internationalization proposal X-Archives-Salt: a9d75516-6eee-4f7d-9f28-d34412b9c268 X-Archives-Hash: 86b4f95e8de9328412529eab1195fb3f --N1GIdlSm9i+YlY4t Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Aug 05, 2003 at 01:43:05PM +0200 or thereabouts, Sven Vermeulen wro= te: > > Another proposal, which has been discussed for a while is that community > > pages (or rather 1 page) should actually be maintained by Gentoo itself. > > Other words, $LANG.gentoo.org rather than being a simple translation of > > existing of main website will be a localised page (please note the diff. > > between translation and localisation). Though this page will have to co= mply > > with some standarts, authors will be more or less free to add the > > information, which they feel is important for their community. >=20 > The translation team can edit its own index.xml file how it sees fit. Both > implementations are possible. This is one area that I disagree with. I feel we need to have consistency across the web site, including translated versions. Using French as an example language, you may have folks that prefer to check the site in english (because it's easier to type 'www.gentoo.org') and may not ever check the www.gentoo.org/fr/index.xml page. If you have inconsistent versions of news across the pages, our users will suffer. Now they'll have to check both pages in order to get a full picture of what's going on in the Gentoo world. FRLinux said in his bug report that "Gentoo Officials were denying a possibility to have a full Gentoo Community." I'm not sure who he was referring to, but it wasn't me. I'm quite open to the idea of allowing country-specific official gentoo web pages. There were only three stipulations: 1) anything that falls under a *.gentoo.org name needs to maintain the consistent look and feel of the main gentoo.org site. 2) they need to publish their docs using guide-xsl. This is more of a technical requirement since our entire web site is built around AxKit and XML. It also ensures that, if we update the look/feel of the web site in the future, all pages in the *.gentoo.org domain will be updated instantly. 3) they need to reside on a gentoo.org infrastructure server. Again, if it ends in gentoo.org, we need to have control over the security of the server and also have the ability to yank inappropriate content in an emergency. I won't risk having a rogue user get pissed off and posting "gentoo is a bunch of communist pinkos" on their country page. That's it. I'm still open to creating those pages on a *country* specific basis, but not a language specific one. (otherwise, how do we handle countries like England, Canada and the US which all speak English) Reading over FRLinux's bug report, along with Sven's GLEP, it sounds to me like we're trying to solve two different problems: 1) internationalizing the web site, ensuring that all gentoo pages are offered in multiple languages 2) give user communities in other countries the ability to have their own localized pages. Both are achievable and I'm willing to help support both, infrastructure-wise. However, I think the solutions should be kept separate. --kurt --N1GIdlSm9i+YlY4t Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/OOYIJPpRNiftIEYRAm0qAJ9/dGBrdmu0AhG3t0wzbCHTir8mqQCeJvIh XlZFLiNmRF3S+kI/x5C+sL4= =9Lkq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --N1GIdlSm9i+YlY4t--