From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 1076 invoked by uid 1002); 23 Jul 2003 10:42:21 -0000 Mailing-List: contact gentoo-dev-help@gentoo.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Received: (qmail 12516 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2003 10:42:21 -0000 From: Paul de Vrieze To: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 12:42:19 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.2 References: <20030723054849.12352.qmail@web42003.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20030723054849.12352.qmail@web42003.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Boundary-02=_LamH/iasI6V00xa"; charset="big5" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200307231242.19572.pauldv@gentoo.org> Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Anyone appreciate this VERY dumb idea.... X-Archives-Salt: ef2393a3-e760-437e-a47f-47311eddb1e0 X-Archives-Hash: a8b86108454d953e5fc9a155c2a6135a --Boundary-02=_LamH/iasI6V00xa Content-Type: text/plain; charset="big5" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Description: signed data Content-Disposition: inline On Wednesday 23 July 2003 07:48, KH c wrote: > Hello all Gentoo developer, > I get an (maybe dumb) idea: Gentoo is VERY OPTIMIZE > for your hardware because you have to compile one > program by another, and manual fix any problem happen. > It is a turn off for Linux newbie even though s/he has > a lot of patience. Is there a way to comprise? > Assuming the user has a lot time and no trouble > happen inbetween. > I would suggest how about writing an intelligent > installer that will automatically check dependency, > download it and install it like urpmi in Manadrake or > apt-get in Debian so even new user can enjoy the > benefit of optimization WITHOUT the hardwork? i.e. I > want to install X, just tell the program and it will > take care of the whole process for me. Is it possible? > Or how about a pre-written scipt that will do the > compile process for different type of pre-set usage > like Desktop, Mutimedia, Networking, Internet? i.e. It > is not a pre-installed package, it is a pre-set > packager that will do the packaging right in front of > the user's eye. Each user get the same package and > script yet it is OPTIMIZE for their computer after > they install it. What do you think about this idea? > Well, we are currently working on the Gentoo Reference Project which provid= es=20 prebuild binaries with sensible defaults. That would make it possible to ge= t=20 up and running rather fast. Then a user can specify his optimisations and=20 build new packages with those optimizations. We also have a utility that=20 provides the recommended compilation flags for each architecture, and we do= =20 not advise to deviate from them too much. It is indeed very possible to mak= e=20 compilations fail with wrong useflags. (In some cases applications actually= =20 compile correctly but function wrong, or unpredictable). Given no overagressive use flags it should be possible after the preliminar= y=20 installation (from the installation documentation) to just say "emerge kde= =20 gnome mozilla" and have them all automatically installed. This process shou= ld=20 run without errors and after some (well probably a lot depending on your=20 hardware) time it should finish telling you that kde gnome and mozilla were= =20 merged. If this process does fail at some intermediary point, please report= =20 it as it is a bug and should not happen. Paul =2D-=20 Paul de Vrieze Researcher Mail: pauldv@cs.kun.nl Homepage: http://www.cs.kun.nl/~pauldv --Boundary-02=_LamH/iasI6V00xa Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQA/HmaLbKx5DBjWFdsRAuU1AKCGeuTg2T2NutiZ8+jedFCBL11LMwCg2qaA B0MHIOXJXgWLhDcAbGQie1A= =mi+E -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Boundary-02=_LamH/iasI6V00xa--