[gentoo-dev] Anyone appreciate this VERY dumb idea....

[gentoo-dev] Anyone appreciate this VERY dumb idea....

[KH c]

Hello all Gentoo developer,
  I get an (maybe dumb) idea: Gentoo is VERY OPTIMIZE
for your hardware because you have to compile one
program by another, and manual fix any problem happen.
It is a turn off for Linux newbie even though s/he has
a lot of patience. Is there a way to comprise?
  Assuming the user has a lot time and no trouble
happen inbetween.
  I would suggest how about writing an intelligent
installer that will automatically check dependency,
download it and install it like urpmi in Manadrake or
apt-get in Debian so even new user can enjoy the
benefit of optimization WITHOUT the hardwork? i.e. I
want to install X, just tell the program and it will
take care of the whole process for me. Is it possible?
  Or how about a pre-written scipt that will do the
compile process for different type of pre-set usage
like Desktop, Mutimedia, Networking, Internet? i.e. It
is not a pre-installed package, it is a pre-set
packager that will do the packaging right in front of
the user's eye. Each user get the same package and
script yet it is OPTIMIZE for their computer after
they install it. What do you think about this idea?

Thanks of your attention
Euler Cheung
Project Manager
LinuxLiveCD.com  

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Anyone appreciate this VERY dumb idea....

[donnie berkholz]

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On Wednesday 23 July 2003 00:48, KH c wrote:
>   I would suggest how about writing an intelligent
> installer that will automatically check dependency,
> download it and install it like urpmi in Manadrake or
> apt-get in Debian so even new user can enjoy the
> benefit of optimization WITHOUT the hardwork? i.e. I
> want to install X, just tell the program and it will
> take care of the whole process for me. Is it possible?

I'm not sure what hard work you're talking about. 'emerge xfree' works for me.

>   Or how about a pre-written scipt that will do the
> compile process for different type of pre-set usage
> like Desktop, Mutimedia, Networking, Internet? i.e. It
> is not a pre-installed package, it is a pre-set
> packager that will do the packaging right in front of
> the user's eye. Each user get the same package and
> script yet it is OPTIMIZE for their computer after
> they install it. What do you think about this idea?

This sounds interesting. A basic implementation could be easily accomplished 
with settings in make.conf like the following, which would add support for 
the requested options:

DESKTOP="use1 use2 use3 use4"
MULTIMEDIA="use5 use6 use7 use8"
NETWORKING="use9 use10 use11"
INTERNET="use12 use13"
# Set USE to have the defaults for whatever type of setup you want.
USE="${DESKTOP} ${MULTIMEDIA}"

The idea of "virtual packages" like instantdesktop and instantserver has been 
tossed around for a while but I haven't seen anything come of it yet. I think 
it's been waiting for some needed portage features.
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Anyone appreciate this VERY dumb idea....

[Sven Vermeulen]

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On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 01:07:32AM -0500, donnie berkholz wrote:
> The idea of "virtual packages" like instantdesktop and instantserver has been 
> tossed around for a while but I haven't seen anything come of it yet. I think 
> it's been waiting for some needed portage features.

I would go for the virtual packages (well, kinda like the kde-package, which
just requires several other packages as dependencies).

OTOH, if you emerge kde, you already have an instant desktop :)

Wkr,
	Sven Vermeulen

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Anyone appreciate this VERY dumb idea....

[Paul de Vrieze]

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On Wednesday 23 July 2003 07:48, KH c wrote:
> Hello all Gentoo developer,
>   I get an (maybe dumb) idea: Gentoo is VERY OPTIMIZE
> for your hardware because you have to compile one
> program by another, and manual fix any problem happen.
> It is a turn off for Linux newbie even though s/he has
> a lot of patience. Is there a way to comprise?
>   Assuming the user has a lot time and no trouble
> happen inbetween.
>   I would suggest how about writing an intelligent
> installer that will automatically check dependency,
> download it and install it like urpmi in Manadrake or
> apt-get in Debian so even new user can enjoy the
> benefit of optimization WITHOUT the hardwork? i.e. I
> want to install X, just tell the program and it will
> take care of the whole process for me. Is it possible?
>   Or how about a pre-written scipt that will do the
> compile process for different type of pre-set usage
> like Desktop, Mutimedia, Networking, Internet? i.e. It
> is not a pre-installed package, it is a pre-set
> packager that will do the packaging right in front of
> the user's eye. Each user get the same package and
> script yet it is OPTIMIZE for their computer after
> they install it. What do you think about this idea?
>

Well, we are currently working on the Gentoo Reference Project which provides 
prebuild binaries with sensible defaults. That would make it possible to get 
up and running rather fast. Then a user can specify his optimisations and 
build new packages with those optimizations. We also have a utility that 
provides the recommended compilation flags for each architecture, and we do 
not advise to deviate from them too much. It is indeed very possible to make 
compilations fail with wrong useflags. (In some cases applications actually 
compile correctly but function wrong, or unpredictable).

Given no overagressive use flags it should be possible after the preliminary 
installation (from the installation documentation) to just say "emerge kde 
gnome mozilla" and have them all automatically installed. This process should 
run without errors and after some (well probably a lot depending on your 
hardware) time it should finish telling you that kde gnome and mozilla were 
merged. If this process does fail at some intermediary point, please report 
it as it is a bug and should not happen.

Paul

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Mail: pauldv@cs.kun.nl
Homepage: http://www.cs.kun.nl/~pauldv

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Anyone appreciate this VERY dumb idea....

[KH c]

GOOD FOR GENTOO!
I wish you all the luck in this project. At my current
level I won't be able to contribute much but ideas and
suggestion.
Cool! Highly optimize Operating System build in front
of your eye. Surely we offer something that NO OS even
remotely dreamt of, certainly NOT M$-Windoze. 
  If it it successful, I look forward to apply this
concept in other Distro. So "one click" optimization
is near.

Cheers!
Euler Cheung 


 --- Paul de Vrieze <pauldv@gentoo.org> 的郵件內容：>
On Wednesday 23 July 2003 07:48, KH c wrote:
> > Hello all Gentoo developer,
> >   I get an (maybe dumb) idea: Gentoo is VERY
> OPTIMIZE
> > for your hardware because you have to compile one
> > program by another, and manual fix any problem
> happen.
> > It is a turn off for Linux newbie even though s/he
> has
> > a lot of patience. Is there a way to comprise?
> >   Assuming the user has a lot time and no trouble
> > happen inbetween.
> >   I would suggest how about writing an intelligent
> > installer that will automatically check
> dependency,
> > download it and install it like urpmi in Manadrake
> or
> > apt-get in Debian so even new user can enjoy the
> > benefit of optimization WITHOUT the hardwork? i.e.
> I
> > want to install X, just tell the program and it
> will
> > take care of the whole process for me. Is it
> possible?
> >   Or how about a pre-written scipt that will do
> the
> > compile process for different type of pre-set
> usage
> > like Desktop, Mutimedia, Networking, Internet?
> i.e. It
> > is not a pre-installed package, it is a pre-set
> > packager that will do the packaging right in front
> of
> > the user's eye. Each user get the same package and
> > script yet it is OPTIMIZE for their computer after
> > they install it. What do you think about this
> idea?
> >
> 
> Well, we are currently working on the Gentoo
> Reference Project which provides 
> prebuild binaries with sensible defaults. That would
> make it possible to get 
> up and running rather fast. Then a user can specify
> his optimisations and 
> build new packages with those optimizations. We also
> have a utility that 
> provides the recommended compilation flags for each
> architecture, and we do 
> not advise to deviate from them too much. It is
> indeed very possible to make 
> compilations fail with wrong useflags. (In some
> cases applications actually 
> compile correctly but function wrong, or
> unpredictable).
> 
> Given no overagressive use flags it should be
> possible after the preliminary 
> installation (from the installation documentation)
> to just say "emerge kde 
> gnome mozilla" and have them all automatically
> installed. This process should 
> run without errors and after some (well probably a
> lot depending on your 
> hardware) time it should finish telling you that kde
> gnome and mozilla were 
> merged. If this process does fail at some
> intermediary point, please report 
> it as it is a bug and should not happen.
> 
> Paul
> 
> -- 
> Paul de Vrieze
> Researcher
> Mail: pauldv@cs.kun.nl
> Homepage: http://www.cs.kun.nl/~pauldv
> 

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