From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 25042 invoked by uid 1002); 15 Jul 2003 09:06:14 -0000 Mailing-List: contact gentoo-dev-help@gentoo.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Received: (qmail 1984 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2003 09:06:13 -0000 From: Paul de Vrieze To: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 11:06:09 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.2 References: <20030714214621.33b75fbd.zhen@gentoo.org> <3F138938.8030105@gentoo.org> <20030715002922.E12388@sigint.cs.purdue.edu> In-Reply-To: <20030715002922.E12388@sigint.cs.purdue.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Boundary-02=_CQ8E/2in4Ya6Lxk"; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200307151106.10407.pauldv@gentoo.org> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.4 required=5.0 X-Spam-Level: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/) Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo part II. X-Archives-Salt: a9548726-e452-453b-be11-01cd6c2aa180 X-Archives-Hash: 3b9e5bc06a44bb2c54cd8142db080412 --Boundary-02=_CQ8E/2in4Ya6Lxk Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Description: signed data Content-Disposition: inline On Tuesday 15 July 2003 07:29, splite wrote: > > I hope not, otherwise you'll see it forking into "Fun Gentoo" and > "Structured Gentoo". Guess where the hackers will go. Guess where the users will go.=20 Although I don't like politics, they are unavoidable. There are now like 15= 0=20 developers for gentoo. Having a single "boss", and a "lieutenant" with no=20 structure at all is not going to work. Especially as the amount of develope= rs=20 grows. We need structure. Part of that structure is a place where things ar= e=20 documented, like responsibilities. The problem is that with 30 developers you could easilly ask something you= =20 didn't know. Now the problem is that you can still ask, but you don't know= =20 who to ask. Documenting procedure and formalizing a bit should help. There are also many people and organizations that want gentoo to run on the= ir=20 servers. Those people have one thing they REALLY REALLY hate, and that is=20 comming to office in the morning and finding out that the nightly world=20 update fucked up their setup, and it will take at least until the end of th= e=20 morning fixing things up. Normally such thing will mean a great loss of=20 productivity. Since we believe that the gentoo technology is better than the competition,= =20 even for servers we want to offer what they want while keeping what we have= =2E=20 =46or offering what is needed for servers we do need more quality assurance= =2E=20 With QA and the growth of the project comes a management structure. That=20 structure is inevitable. John made a proposal on how to arange parts of tha= t=20 structure. While we will put every effort in it not to create a new debian,= =20 we need to be more organized than before. So please all discuss the merrits of his proposals. I believe that the=20 problems they try to address are there and are well accepted. Paul =2D-=20 Paul de Vrieze Researcher Mail: pauldv@cs.kun.nl Homepage: http://www.devrieze.net --Boundary-02=_CQ8E/2in4Ya6Lxk Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQA/E8QCbKx5DBjWFdsRAgZ/AKC1Y57BfMiK7d0g0BqebII6yDGPPgCfeBwe fE4SHN6EPM1RqEYShUEmwio= =myzq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Boundary-02=_CQ8E/2in4Ya6Lxk--