From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 16034 invoked by uid 1002); 15 Jul 2003 09:21:39 -0000 Mailing-List: contact gentoo-dev-help@gentoo.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Received: (qmail 15653 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2003 09:21:38 -0000 Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 05:25:17 -0400 From: Brad Cowan To: lafou@wanadoo.fr Cc: Gentoo-dev Message-Id: <20030715052517.1f3f4056.bcowan@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <1058258907.30368.9.camel@biproc> References: <1058258907.30368.9.camel@biproc> Organization: www.gentoo.org X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.3claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i686-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] xfce4 X-Archives-Salt: 68c7fc94-991d-44d7-91fa-70d8d21a69ef X-Archives-Hash: 5b1e48780252ed3680d8aff98dce13a9 On 15 Jul 2003 10:48:27 +0200 Philippe Lafoucri=E8re wrote: > Hi all >=20 > after doing an emerge -s xfce4, I got 18 ebuilds ! >=20 > * x11-libs/libxfce4mcs [ Masked ] > * x11-libs/libxfce4util [ Masked ] > * x11-misc/xfce4-iconbox [ Masked ] > * x11-misc/xfce4-mixer [ Masked ] > * x11-misc/xfce4-panel [ Masked ] > * x11-misc/xfce4-systray [ Masked ] > * x11-misc/xfce4-toys [ Masked ] > * x11-themes/xfce4-themes [ Masked ] > * x11-wm/xfce4 [ Masked ] > * xfce-base/libxfce4mcs [ Masked ] > * xfce-base/libxfce4util [ Masked ] > * xfce-base/xfce4 [ Masked ] > * xfce-base/xfce4-panel [ Masked ] > * xfce-extra/xfce4-iconbox [ Masked ] > * xfce-extra/xfce4-mixer [ Masked ] > * xfce-extra/xfce4-systray [ Masked ] > * xfce-extra/xfce4-themes [ Masked ] > * xfce-extra/xfce4-toys [ Masked ] >=20 > Do we *really* need so many separated files ? > What I loved in gentoo is simplicity, I feel like using debian here ! > Since many "packages" (ebuild if you prefer) can't be installed alone > (xfce4-toys for exemple), I suggest to regroup some ebuild. It's quite > disturbing to get 18 * 7 lines (=3D126) of output when just doing an > emerge -s xfce4 (expected just 1 or 2 ebuilds -> 7 or 14 lines). OK, first off your doing a search during the middle of a move of xfce to its own separate category. If you look there are 2 of each package in different directories. Secondly, many of those packages are themes/toys/extras that aren't part of the "core" package, they have to be emerged separately if you want those. Finally, this is the entire point behind gentoo, user configurability and choices. If you put the entire package in one tarball it would be about 20 megs and will increase steadily after the first official xfce4 release when many more extras packages and plugins will be added. Some people will only want a few of those packages, and being separate allows for more fine grained patching/bug fixes/version bumps/security fixes. One single package calls on the core packages and compiles/installs them, so no matter if they are separate or not, its still going to go thru the exact same compile sequence. The only thing I can think of is that you want the old xfce3 which is a small single package wm, not an entire desktop environment like xfce4. You sorta hit a nerve here too, as I maintain these packages and do it for your benefit, and I try to do it the best possible way for everyone. Saying you should use Debian because I packaged this imho the _right_ way, the gentoo way, I just don't see your point. --=20 Brad Cowan Developer, Gentoo Linux http://www.gentoo.org/~bcowan Public Key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=3Dget&search=3D0xB1F16A56 Key fingerprint =3D C408 75B9 E68D 26E2 EAAE 20CF 4D5E 293D B1F1 6A56 -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list