[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] Creation of 'virtual/wine' to satisfy builds

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] Creation of 'virtual/wine' to satisfy builds

[Aron Griffis]

Alex Veber wrote:	[Wed Jul 09 2003, 04:27:41PM EDT]
> currently Gentoo provides wine, winex, winex-cvs and nwwine, 4
> diffrent versions of wine. because some apps depend/will depend on
> wine to work and even to compile, I would like to propose the creation
> of virtual/wine.

Are they really equivalent to the wine drinkers?  For example, the
providers of virtual/smtp are equivalent programs to all the programs
requiring /usr/lib/sendmail to exist.  Are the consumers of wine
ambivalent to which vintage is installed?

Aron

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] Creation of 'virtual/wine' to satisfy builds

[Alex Veber]

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On Thursday 10 July 2003 02:33, Aron Griffis wrote:
> Alex Veber wrote:	[Wed Jul 09 2003, 04:27:41PM EDT]
>
> > currently Gentoo provides wine, winex, winex-cvs and nwwine, 4
> > diffrent versions of wine. because some apps depend/will depend on
> > wine to work and even to compile, I would like to propose the creation
> > of virtual/wine.
>
> Are they really equivalent to the wine drinkers?  For example, the
> providers of virtual/smtp are equivalent programs to all the programs
> requiring /usr/lib/sendmail to exist.  Are the consumers of wine
> ambivalent to which vintage is installed?
most apps that build against wine don't care which wine they use.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] Creation of 'virtual/wine' to satisfy builds

[Aron Griffis]

Alex Veber wrote:	[Thu Jul 10 2003, 04:52:40PM EDT]
> most apps that build against wine don't care which wine they use.

Great, I have no objections to virtual/wine, in that case...

Aron

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] Creation of 'virtual/wine' to satisfy builds

[Luke-Jr]

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Instead of virtual/wine, perhaps virtual/win32 would be better? After all,
Gentoo Windows (aka Gentoo Cygwin) would probably use the actual Win32
libraries and not a WINE...

On Thursday 10 July 2003 02:33 am, Aron Griffis wrote:
> Alex Veber wrote:	[Wed Jul 09 2003, 04:27:41PM EDT]
>
> > currently Gentoo provides wine, winex, winex-cvs and nwwine, 4
> > diffrent versions of wine. because some apps depend/will depend on
> > wine to work and even to compile, I would like to propose the creation
> > of virtual/wine.
>
> Are they really equivalent to the wine drinkers?  For example, the
> providers of virtual/smtp are equivalent programs to all the programs
> requiring /usr/lib/sendmail to exist.  Are the consumers of wine
> ambivalent to which vintage is installed?
>
> Aron
>
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] Creation of 'virtual/wine' to satisfy builds

[Paul de Vrieze]

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On Friday 11 July 2003 13:09, Alex Veber wrote:
> On Friday 11 July 2003 05:28, Luke-Jr wrote:
> > Instead of virtual/wine, perhaps virtual/win32 would be better? After
> > all, Gentoo Windows (aka Gentoo Cygwin) would probably use the actual
> > Win32 libraries and not a WINE...
>
> I honesly don't know anything about cygwin or how it works, but the main
> reason of intreducing the wine virtual is so that apps can compile and link
> against winelib. together with the wine-config tool I am working on will
> enable users to link against diffrent versions of wine without a problem.
>

I agree, a virtual/win32 will probably not work. Most applications that want 
wine expect the wine environment. They don't expect actual windows. Of 
course, in case we have a win32 port the wine dependency can be made 
dependent on that (!win32? (virtual/wine) )

Paul

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] Creation of 'virtual/wine' to satisfy builds

[Alex Veber]

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On Friday 11 July 2003 05:28, Luke-Jr wrote:
> Instead of virtual/wine, perhaps virtual/win32 would be better? After all,
> Gentoo Windows (aka Gentoo Cygwin) would probably use the actual Win32
> libraries and not a WINE...

I honesly don't know anything about cygwin or how it works, but the main 
reason of intreducing the wine virtual is so that apps can compile and link 
against winelib. together with the wine-config tool I am working on will 
enable users to link against diffrent versions of wine without a problem.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] Creation of 'virtual/wine' to satisfy builds

[Luke-Jr]

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Any apps which would link against WINE should also be able to link against the
native Win32 libraries just as well. Therefore, it's not a dependency on
WINE, but a dependency on an implementation of the Win32 libraries.

On Friday 11 July 2003 11:09 am, Alex Veber wrote:
> On Friday 11 July 2003 05:28, Luke-Jr wrote:
> > Instead of virtual/wine, perhaps virtual/win32 would be better? After
> > all, Gentoo Windows (aka Gentoo Cygwin) would probably use the actual
> > Win32 libraries and not a WINE...
>
> I honesly don't know anything about cygwin or how it works, but the main
> reason of intreducing the wine virtual is so that apps can compile and link
> against winelib. together with the wine-config tool I am working on will
> enable users to link against diffrent versions of wine without a problem.
>
> --
> Alex Veber
> Developer
> Gentoo Linux

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] Creation of 'virtual/wine' to satisfy builds

[Svyatogor]

On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 14:29:51 +0000
Luke-Jr <luke-jr@gentoo.org> wrote:

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> Any apps which would link against WINE should also be able to link against the
> native Win32 libraries just as well. Therefore, it's not a dependency on
> WINE, but a dependency on an implementation of the Win32 libraries.

Not exactly. E.g.: I have an app here which expects to see winebuild tool in
order to compile. You are NOT gonna find it on windows. This just a short
example of diffs between win32 and wine.


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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] Creation of 'virtual/wine' to satisfy builds

[Luke-Jr]

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Well then, perhaps there should be two virtuals... virtual/wine for apps which 
actually need the WINE environment (I've never seen one of these...) and 
virtual/win32 for applications that need the Win32 libraries in some form.

On Saturday 12 July 2003 08:50 am, Svyatogor wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 14:29:51 +0000
>
> Luke-Jr <luke-jr@gentoo.org> wrote:
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> > Any apps which would link against WINE should also be able to link
> > against the native Win32 libraries just as well. Therefore, it's not a
> > dependency on WINE, but a dependency on an implementation of the Win32
> > libraries.
>
> Not exactly. E.g.: I have an app here which expects to see winebuild tool
> in order to compile. You are NOT gonna find it on windows. This just a
> short example of diffs between win32 and wine.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] Creation of 'virtual/wine' to satisfy builds

[Paul de Vrieze]

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On Saturday 12 July 2003 16:17, Luke-Jr wrote:
> Well then, perhaps there should be two virtuals... virtual/wine for apps
> which actually need the WINE environment (I've never seen one of these...)
> and virtual/win32 for applications that need the Win32 libraries in some
> form.
>

Add to virtual/win32 that the win32 headers should also be available.

Paul

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