[gentoo-dev] ANNOUNCEMENT: metadata.xml files can be created

[gentoo-dev] ANNOUNCEMENT: metadata.xml files can be created

[Paul de Vrieze]

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Yes, the time is finally there. A milestone has been reached in the herds 
project. The dtd for the metadata.xml file has been finalised. For all you 
people who are curious, it does as yet not contain the changelog. 

The dtd can be found at http://www.gentoo.org/dtd/metadata.dtd.
I request that all developers go and add metadata.xml files to the packages 
they maintain. Further herds should be created. They need to be registered 
to. 

All people please take a look at
http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/metastructure/herds/
Where both formats are described.

For all users, if you don't come all at once, we need long descriptions for 
packages, and good suggestions are welcome on bugs.gentoo.org.

Paul

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[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] ANNOUNCEMENT: metadata.xml files can be created

[Weeve]

On Wed, 2 Jul 2003, Paul de Vrieze wrote:

> 
> Yes, the time is finally there. A milestone has been reached in the herds 
> project. The dtd for the metadata.xml file has been finalised. For all you 
> people who are curious, it does as yet not contain the changelog. 
> 
> The dtd can be found at http://www.gentoo.org/dtd/metadata.dtd.
> I request that all developers go and add metadata.xml files to the packages 
> they maintain. Further herds should be created. They need to be registered 
> to. 

Do we the developers have tools to manage these metadata.dtd files?  IIRC, 
this was one of the huge concerns about having these (so people didn't 
fat finger things).  Should we really be pushing them out before something 
to manage this exists (or did I miss something where it was announced)?
 
> All people please take a look at
> http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/metastructure/herds/
> Where both formats are described.

FYI, this page doesn't render correctly in mozilla-firebird (no text is 
displayed after the words "currently the" in the second sentence of the 
first section.  

Also, Konqueror 3.1.2 does not like the right table/panel.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] ANNOUNCEMENT: metadata.xml files can be created

[Paul de Vrieze]

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> http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/metastructure/herds/

Unfortunately only one of the mirrors has got the newest version. If you have 
a half file, please try again getting another mirror. Waiting is also a 
solution. 

Paul

ps. at least falcon.gentoo.org works now

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[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] ANNOUNCEMENT: metadata.xml files can be created

[Paul de Vrieze]

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On Wednesday 02 July 2003 16:01, Patrick Kursawe wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 02, 2003 at 03:58:27PM +0200, Paul de Vrieze wrote:
> > It are xml files, and there are no tools yet. As the changelogs are not
> > incorporated, though their complexity is low, and editing should not bee
> > too complicated.
>
> Maybe. But is there a way to validate they are correct? I thought that was
> some of XMLs features that you can easily validate if they are
> syntactically correct. How to do that?
>
> Yours cluelessly,

You can use "xmllint --valid metadata.xml" to verify the files. This is also 
in the newest revision of the web page (which will be available in about an 
hour).

Paul

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] ANNOUNCEMENT: metadata.xml files can be created

[Aron Griffis]

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Paul de Vrieze wrote:[Wed Jul 02 2003, 10:03:47AM EDT]
> You can use "xmllint --valid metadata.xml" to verify the files. This
> is also in the newest revision of the web page (which will be
> available in about an hour).

Seems to me this should be incorporated into "repoman commit" asap.

Aron

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Re: [gentoo-dev] ANNOUNCEMENT: metadata.xml files can be created

[Paul de Vrieze]

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On Wednesday 02 July 2003 15:36, Paul de Vrieze wrote:

To clarify, the idea is that for now herds get added by those who will be 
maintainers of them. That means that (a gnome herd/gnome herds) are added by 
the gnome team, a mozilla herd by the mozilla team etc.

Paul

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[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] ANNOUNCEMENT: metadata.xml files can be created

[Weeve]

On Wed, 2 Jul 2003, Paul de Vrieze wrote:

> The dtd can be found at http://www.gentoo.org/dtd/metadata.dtd.
> I request that all developers go and add metadata.xml files to the packages 
> they maintain. Further herds should be created. They need to be registered 
> to. 

Ok, what is the difference between created and registered?  Also what do 
we do about packages that do not currently have a herd?


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[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] ANNOUNCEMENT: metadata.xml files can be created

[Weeve]

On Wed, 2 Jul 2003, Paul de Vrieze wrote:

> The dtd can be found at http://www.gentoo.org/dtd/metadata.dtd.
> I request that all developers go and add metadata.xml files to the packages 
> they maintain. Further herds should be created. They need to be registered 
> to. 

What is the prodecure(s) for creating and registering a herd?

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[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] ANNOUNCEMENT: metadata.xml files can be created

[Weeve]

On Wed, 2 Jul 2003, Weeve wrote:

> On Wed, 2 Jul 2003, Paul de Vrieze wrote:
> 
> > The dtd can be found at http://www.gentoo.org/dtd/metadata.dtd.
> > I request that all developers go and add metadata.xml files to the packages 
> > they maintain. Further herds should be created. They need to be registered 
> > to. 
> 
> What is the prodecure(s) for creating and registering a herd?

Sorry for the sorta dupe-post, my mail client and I weren't on the same 
page.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] ANNOUNCEMENT: metadata.xml files can be created

[Paul de Vrieze]

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On Wednesday 02 July 2003 19:24, Weeve wrote:
> On Wed, 2 Jul 2003, Weeve wrote:
> > On Wed, 2 Jul 2003, Paul de Vrieze wrote:
> > > The dtd can be found at http://www.gentoo.org/dtd/metadata.dtd.
> > > I request that all developers go and add metadata.xml files to the
> > > packages they maintain. Further herds should be created. They need to
> > > be registered to.
> >
> > What is the prodecure(s) for creating and registering a herd?
>
> Sorry for the sorta dupe-post, my mail client and I weren't on the same
> page.

Registering is writing them in the misc/herds.xml file of the gentoo CVS 
repository. Creating actually is the same.

For now the best procedure is if the people to be part of a herd go and 
register their herd in that file.

Paul

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] ANNOUNCEMENT: metadata.xml files can be created

[Weeve]

On Wed, 2 Jul 2003, Paul de Vrieze wrote:

> On Wednesday 02 July 2003 19:24, Weeve wrote:
> > On Wed, 2 Jul 2003, Weeve wrote:
> > > On Wed, 2 Jul 2003, Paul de Vrieze wrote:
> > > > The dtd can be found at http://www.gentoo.org/dtd/metadata.dtd.
> > > > I request that all developers go and add metadata.xml files to the
> > > > packages they maintain. Further herds should be created. They need to
> > > > be registered to.
> > >
> > > What is the prodecure(s) for creating and registering a herd?
> >
> > Sorry for the sorta dupe-post, my mail client and I weren't on the same
> > page.
> 
> Registering is writing them in the misc/herds.xml file of the gentoo CVS 
> repository. Creating actually is the same.
> 
> For now the best procedure is if the people to be part of a herd go and 
> register their herd in that file.

OK cool.  Now for the next question.  If I add a metadata.xml file to a 
package I maintain, leaving the herd as no-herd (using skel.metadata.xml 
as a template), does this cause anything to break?

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] ANNOUNCEMENT: metadata.xml files can be created

[Paul de Vrieze]

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On Wednesday 02 July 2003 20:26, Weeve wrote:
>
> OK cool.  Now for the next question.  If I add a metadata.xml file to a
> package I maintain, leaving the herd as no-herd (using skel.metadata.xml
> as a template), does this cause anything to break?

It currently does not break anything, but it is not supposed to contain 
no-herd. I think though that it containing no-herd is better than it 
containing an empty tag. Basically the herd needs to be assigned.

Paul

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] ANNOUNCEMENT: metadata.xml files can be created

[Weeve]

On Wed, 2 Jul 2003, Paul de Vrieze wrote:

> On Wednesday 02 July 2003 20:26, Weeve wrote:
> >
> > OK cool.  Now for the next question.  If I add a metadata.xml file to a
> > package I maintain, leaving the herd as no-herd (using skel.metadata.xml
> > as a template), does this cause anything to break?
> 
> It currently does not break anything, but it is not supposed to contain 
> no-herd. I think though that it containing no-herd is better than it 
> containing an empty tag. Basically the herd needs to be assigned.

So what we need(ed) to do first is/was come up with the herds before we 
start asking package maintainers to add metadata.xml files to their 
packages?

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] ANNOUNCEMENT: metadata.xml files can be created

[Paul de Vrieze]

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On Wednesday 02 July 2003 21:00, Weeve wrote:
> On Wed, 2 Jul 2003, Paul de Vrieze wrote:
> > On Wednesday 02 July 2003 20:26, Weeve wrote:
> > > OK cool.  Now for the next question.  If I add a metadata.xml file to a
> > > package I maintain, leaving the herd as no-herd (using
> > > skel.metadata.xml as a template), does this cause anything to break?
> >
> > It currently does not break anything, but it is not supposed to contain
> > no-herd. I think though that it containing no-herd is better than it
> > containing an empty tag. Basically the herd needs to be assigned.
>
> So what we need(ed) to do first is/was come up with the herds before we
> start asking package maintainers to add metadata.xml files to their
> packages?

I think that for now it is ok that if you really don't know which herd would 
be appropriate that you leave no-herd, and just assign a maintainer.

Paul

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