From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 955 invoked by uid 1002); 28 Jun 2003 17:28:14 -0000 Mailing-List: contact gentoo-dev-help@gentoo.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Received: (qmail 11558 invoked from network); 28 Jun 2003 17:28:13 -0000 Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 01:24:04 +0800 From: Michael Kohl To: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Message-Id: <20030629012404.1ef768a4.citizen428@cargal.org> In-Reply-To: <20030628091853.GD11566@inventor.gentoo.org> References: <20030628091853.GD11566@inventor.gentoo.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.0claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i686-pc-linux-gnu) X-Operating-System: Gentoo Linux Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg="pgp-sha1"; boundary="KMjv(bJbM/T=.lme" Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] the vision for Gentoo X-Archives-Salt: 1d25b0d8-a85a-406a-afe1-1fa12986014a X-Archives-Hash: 58737525106ae68ca6038891877fd7e5 --KMjv(bJbM/T=.lme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Some interesting discussions going on on this list lately... On Sat, 28 Jun 2003 03:18:53 -0600 Daniel Robbins wrote: > 1) What engages and inspires us? I found out about Gentoo over a year ago on OSNews, had a look a the website and just thought: "This is it!". The thing I really find inspiring about it is the desire to push the limits and not be yet another Linux distribution. As recent developments show (Portage for OS X, Gentoo/BSD, an ebuild for the mach kernel etc.), it's not even about being a *Linux distribution* at all. For me, personally, Gentoo is an *idea distribution* (does that really sound as pathetic as I think it sounds?). This whole "feeling" around Gentoo made me want to contribute *really* for the first time (ok, I do nothing except some GWN work and throwing random ideas at -dev, but still...), as it seems like a good "framework" of getting interesting things back from your contributions, and often this are things you didn't even think of in the beginning. > 2) How do we formulate this "excitement/spirit" into a collective > vision for Gentoo? Isn't the great thing about Gentoo that *it* adjusts to your vision, instead of forcing *you* to adjust to it's? Honestly, the thing I expect most from Gentoo is to keep all this excellent ideas coming in the future! Even if I'd switch to another operating system (not likely to happen anytime soon), I'd sure keep an eye on Gentoo, just for the fun of all the nice thoughts popping up all the time. > 3) How do we best implement this vision? I like the recent developments in this regard, namely the proposal for the new managment structure and GLEPs (which as a formal way of proposing new features for the distribution can do great things for user-dev interaction). *But* another thing I'd like to see (which may contradict some of my aforementioned thoughts), is Gentoo being a little less of a moving target: clear definitions of goals for a certain release, an easy to access roadmap (both should be taken care of by the new managment structure), clear responsibility for package maintainership (taken care of by herds I guess) and things like this. About how to achieve this I'm not quite sure, although the BSD way of -stable/-current seems to be a viable solution to some of my issues, it somehow doesn't feel "gentooish" to me. Regarding the for-profit/non-profit issue: Coming from a Debian background I'd have nothing against seeing Gentoo become non-profit, but I couldn't really blame anybody for the (IMHO justified) desire to get some food for his work. Guess that's a tough one, and maybe will take some time before a consensus can be reached... Ok, it's already kinda late in my timezone, and I seem to write quite a lot but say little with it, so maybe it's time to go to bed. Michael -- www.cargal.org GnuPG-key-ID: 0x90CA09E3 Jabber-ID: citizen428 [at] cargal [dot] org Registered Linux User #278726 --KMjv(bJbM/T=.lme Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+/c833i2RopDKCeMRApBsAJsGz+b1IhmqJMYlIAXFjvVbawEdLgCdHulh f3zlUttInoY255V+t7sP2FA= =PySi -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --KMjv(bJbM/T=.lme--