From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 15250 invoked by uid 1002); 26 Jun 2003 11:50:02 -0000 Mailing-List: contact gentoo-dev-help@gentoo.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Received: (qmail 3934 invoked from network); 26 Jun 2003 11:50:01 -0000 Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 07:56:12 -0400 From: Peter Johanson To: Daniel Robbins Cc: Zach Welch , gentoo-dev@gentoo.org, gentoo-core@gentoo.org Message-ID: <20030626115612.GA3681@gonzo.peterjohanson.com> Mail-Followup-To: Daniel Robbins , Zach Welch , gentoo-dev@gentoo.org, gentoo-core@gentoo.org References: <3EFA47A7.5080608@gentoo.org> <20030626040227.GC4869@inventor.gentoo.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="7AUc2qLy4jB3hD7Z" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030626040227.GC4869@inventor.gentoo.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i Subject: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] FORK: The Time Is Now X-Archives-Salt: 75069072-e037-4927-9ea2-400a37a58e9d X-Archives-Hash: 1f6d7c3ec61abd9c8d2870aafb3f819b --7AUc2qLy4jB3hD7Z Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Jun 25, 2003 at 10:02:27PM -0600, Daniel Robbins wrote: > On Wed, Jun 25, 2003 at 06:08:55PM -0700, Zach Welch wrote: >=20 > I will not make any attempt to correct your account of events, even though > they contain numerous gross exagerations, innaccuracies, massive "spin," = and > false insinuations that I am ripping people off, just in my initial scan = of > what you wrote. Littered with lies, and slanderous, certainly.=20 >=20 > Your write-up is like a "based on real events" TV movie, where there are > *just* enough facts to make the story believable to those who don't know = any > better.=20 >=20 > I will not "retaliate" by writing up a startling expose of any supposed > wrongdoings on your part. Because, frankly, life is too short for this ki= nd > of stuff. I don't want to waste it by launching personal attacks on peopl= e. >=20 > I could easily "win" the argument by explaining in detail what really > happened, sharing the real facts, details, situations, conversations and > intentions, proving lies to be fabrications, assertions to be stories, and > your supposed critical analysis to be fueled solely by irrational anger. > But somehow I think that I'd end up "losing" by adopting your tactics.=20 >=20 I completely understand your desire not to get in a "slander war," and i respect that. At the same time, Zach has raised a lot of issues that i feel *need* to be addressed. If we as developers are to be able to make rational sense of these events, and not just make assumptions or biases, we need to know everyone's side of them. Zach's account provides us with his view of what happened, and gives us concrete events as he sees them. All i get from your response is a blatant dismissal of his opinions and account, with no justification. part of open source is about openness, and transparency. I love gentoo, and have no personal gripes with you, but i (and i think at least a few other devs) would feel a lot better if we could hear your side of the story and make a decision for ourselves based on that. -pete --=20 Peter Johanson --7AUc2qLy4jB3hD7Z Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE++t9chklDm276ORcRAu96AKDUGpdE1HJpVpg14oY+TRLaMVVVUQCgtB3H p9fAp0AaTjpq4nZWod9WJRg= =Sd6k -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --7AUc2qLy4jB3hD7Z--