From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: <gentoo-dev-return-4006-arch-gentoo-dev=gentoo.org@gentoo.org> Received: (qmail 22475 invoked by uid 1002); 25 Jun 2003 03:02:40 -0000 Mailing-List: contact gentoo-dev-help@gentoo.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Post: <mailto:gentoo-dev@gentoo.org> List-Help: <mailto:gentoo-dev-help@gentoo.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:gentoo-dev-unsubscribe@gentoo.org> List-Subscribe: <mailto:gentoo-dev-subscribe@gentoo.org> List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail <gentoo-dev.gentoo.org> X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Received: (qmail 5164 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2003 03:02:38 -0000 From: Tony Clark <tclark@telia.com> To: Daniel Robbins <drobbins@gentoo.org>, gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 05:02:32 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.2 References: <20030625013328.GA10762@inventor.gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <20030625013328.GA10762@inventor.gentoo.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200306250502.32174.tclark@telia.com> Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] *IMPORTANT* top-level management structure! X-Archives-Salt: eedcca44-3396-4b45-bcce-842f9fe35779 X-Archives-Hash: 6202f53c0bb3caa4de06abc79b4b739e On Wednesday 25 June 2003 03.33, Daniel Robbins wrote: > aHi guys, We are all painfully aware of the chronic communication, coordination and planning issues that are a direct result of the massive growth of this project. The primary victim of this growth has been the release of Gentoo Linux 1.4, as well as all of our sanity. Kurt and I have developed a comprehensive plan which we hope to get in place *this week* to address all of these issues. A draft of the plan is below. It is long, but *ALL* developers need to read it in its *ENTIRETY* and understand why we need to move from a unstructured community development model to a model that incorporates the best possible software development and management practices. This is the first critical step in making this happen. Being better organized is the only way we can effectively grow while improving the quality of Gentoo. Enough said, please read. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Daniel, I'm glad to see something is going to happen and if I can be of help please clet me know. I do however have some basic problems which aren't addressed and only require a couple of people to sort them out. 1. What is Gentoo 1.4. What it may have been intended to be in January is probably not what it is going to be now. Before you recruit all and sundry you have to define this as if it isn't defined everything will fall down and chaos will return. Some basic things I see is that it needs to be are: gcc3.3 based glibc2.3.2 openssl0.9.7 2. What are the core applications. Is it a desktop, a server orinitated system or a system compremised to do both. I would suggest desktop as I think thats what it is mainly used for, but I don't have the stats so I could be well off the mark. (Market research required) 3. What platform should be supported at release time. Here I think x86 and maybe x86-64. Targeting too many will just delay it. Have some other dates for the rest to follow. These are just really fundementals but until the requirements are documented things will never really come together. Get things out in the open. Gentoo-core is probably the worst idea someone ever came up with, OSS development is meant to be a very transparent process. Make it transparent. I know there are always private issues but if they involve more than 3 people then perhaps they should be public. Remember that 99% of your resources are probably volunteers, make it easy for them to do what they want to do and meet your objectives. I'm not sure how you can make them accountable for what they do but I don't think thats a problem if they are empowered to do what they want to do. Code hackers in general make poor managers and vice versa. Good luck tony -- Contract ASIC and FPGA design. Telephone +46 702 894 667 http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0x633E2623 -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list