* Re: [gentoo-dev] MySQL 4 still marked unstable?
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@ 2003-05-18 7:34 ` Amiel Martin
2003-05-18 10:42 ` Priit Laes
2003-05-19 7:34 ` Robin H.Johnson
1 sibling, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Amiel Martin @ 2003-05-18 7:34 UTC (permalink / raw
To: Matthew Walker; +Cc: gentoo-dev
I think what you should do is install MySQL 4 to help gentoo with testing.
ok maybe not at work... but If you have a test box around... Im sure some
help testing it would help unmask it sooner.
-AMiel
On Fri, 16 May 2003, Matthew Walker wrote:
As someone who has used MySQL 4 in a production environment on Gentoo since
the official release was declared stable, I'm baffled why it hasn't been
unmasked yet. It works beautifully, and is a seamless upgrade process. I'd
really like to use it on my new production server at work, but I refuse to
use any masked packages, to keep maintenance overhead to a minimum.
Anyway... Is there a reason it's still masked?
Matthew Walker
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* Re: [gentoo-dev] MySQL 4 still marked unstable?
2003-05-18 7:34 ` [gentoo-dev] MySQL 4 still marked unstable? Amiel Martin
@ 2003-05-18 10:42 ` Priit Laes
2003-05-19 0:29 ` Matthew Walker
0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Priit Laes @ 2003-05-18 10:42 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-dev
On Sun, 18 May 2003 00:34:48 -0700 (PDT)
Amiel Martin <martina3@cc.wwu.edu> wrote:
> I think what you should do is install MySQL 4 to help gentoo with
> testing. ok maybe not at work... but If you have a test box
> around... Im sure some help testing it would help unmask it sooner.
>
>
> -AMiel
I have been using it for a while.. works fine..
mysql-4.0.12.ebuild -static +readline +innodb +berkdb +tcpd +ssl
-march=pentium3 -O3 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer -fforce-addr
-falign-functions=4 -fprefetch-loop-arrays
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* Re: [gentoo-dev] MySQL 4 still marked unstable?
2003-05-18 10:42 ` Priit Laes
@ 2003-05-19 0:29 ` Matthew Walker
2003-05-19 5:50 ` Amiel Martin
0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Matthew Walker @ 2003-05-19 0:29 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-dev
As I said in my original message, I have been using it on some Gentoo
servers. Just not the main production server at work. It works flawlessly.
Priit Laes said:
> On Sun, 18 May 2003 00:34:48 -0700 (PDT)
> Amiel Martin <martina3@cc.wwu.edu> wrote:
>
>> I think what you should do is install MySQL 4 to help gentoo with
>> testing. ok maybe not at work... but If you have a test box
>> around... Im sure some help testing it would help unmask it sooner.
>>
>>
>> -AMiel
> I have been using it for a while.. works fine..
> mysql-4.0.12.ebuild -static +readline +innodb +berkdb +tcpd +ssl
>
> -march=pentium3 -O3 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer -fforce-addr
> -falign-functions=4 -fprefetch-loop-arrays
>
> --
> Priit Laes <amdATttDOTee> _o)
> http://amd-core.tk /\\ _o) _o)
> You are magnetic in your bearing. _\_V _( ) _( )
>
> --
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>
>
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* Re: [gentoo-dev] MySQL 4 still marked unstable?
2003-05-19 0:29 ` Matthew Walker
@ 2003-05-19 5:50 ` Amiel Martin
2003-05-19 13:04 ` Thomas T. Veldhouse
0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Amiel Martin @ 2003-05-19 5:50 UTC (permalink / raw
To: Matthew Walker; +Cc: gentoo-dev
great
On Sun, 18 May 2003, Matthew Walker wrote:
As I said in my original message, I have been using it on some Gentoo
servers. Just not the main production server at work. It works flawlessly.
Priit Laes said:
> On Sun, 18 May 2003 00:34:48 -0700 (PDT)
> Amiel Martin <martina3@cc.wwu.edu> wrote:
>
>> I think what you should do is install MySQL 4 to help gentoo with
>> testing. ok maybe not at work... but If you have a test box
>> around... Im sure some help testing it would help unmask it sooner.
>>
>>
>> -AMiel
> I have been using it for a while.. works fine..
> mysql-4.0.12.ebuild -static +readline +innodb +berkdb +tcpd +ssl
>
> -march=pentium3 -O3 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer -fforce-addr
> -falign-functions=4 -fprefetch-loop-arrays
>
> --
> Priit Laes <amdATttDOTee> _o)
> http://amd-core.tk /\\ _o) _o)
> You are magnetic in your bearing. _\_V _( ) _( )
>
> --
> gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
>
>
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* Re: [gentoo-dev] MySQL 4 still marked unstable?
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2003-05-18 7:34 ` [gentoo-dev] MySQL 4 still marked unstable? Amiel Martin
@ 2003-05-19 7:34 ` Robin H.Johnson
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From: Robin H.Johnson @ 2003-05-19 7:34 UTC (permalink / raw
To: Matthew Walker; +Cc: gentoo-dev
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On Fri, May 16, 2003 at 10:16:36AM -0600, Matthew Walker wrote:
> As someone who has used MySQL 4 in a production environment on Gentoo since
> the official release was declared stable, I'm baffled why it hasn't been
> unmasked yet. It works beautifully, and is a seamless upgrade process. I'd
> really like to use it on my new production server at work, but I refuse to
> use any masked packages, to keep maintenance overhead to a minimum.
> Anyway... Is there a reason it's still masked?
Seeing the thread on this, I'd like to speak up with an answer, since I
do a lot of the maintance on MySQL and it's related ebuilds.
The upgrade ISN'T as seamless as we would like. Presently if you are
running MySQL-3 and you emerge MySQL-4, there is an instruction telling
you to rebuild everything that links against MySQL.
We have had a LARGE number of bugs submitted because people didn't read
the instruction to rebuild their system and then all complained about
stuff being broken.
As such, we are waiting for a decent script or better reverse
dependancies in portage to release it to stable. Such a script is
showstopper for the 1.4 release so it will be done. The same problem
exists with a number of other packages.
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* Re: [gentoo-dev] MySQL 4 still marked unstable?
2003-05-19 5:50 ` Amiel Martin
@ 2003-05-19 13:04 ` Thomas T. Veldhouse
2003-05-19 16:00 ` Patrick Kursawe
2003-05-20 2:08 ` Amiel Martin
0 siblings, 2 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Thomas T. Veldhouse @ 2003-05-19 13:04 UTC (permalink / raw
To: Amiel Martin, gentoo-dev
I would really like to see a separation of system packages from optional
packages. The ~arch flags should only apply to system packages. There
should be an option to easily install the latest reasonable non-system
packages. Currently, trying to mix stable with ~ causes emerge -u world to
become a nightmare if you have many ~ packages installed. Manually updating
the world file is a pain and unwieldy if you lucky enough to be maintaining
many servers.
Tom Veldhouse
----- Original Message -----
From: "Amiel Martin" <martina3@cc.wwu.edu>
To: "Matthew Walker" <mwalker@kydance.net>
Cc: <gentoo-dev@gentoo.org>
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 12:50 AM
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] MySQL 4 still marked unstable?
> great
>
> On Sun, 18 May 2003, Matthew Walker wrote:
>
> As I said in my original message, I have been using it on some Gentoo
> servers. Just not the main production server at work. It works flawlessly.
>
> Priit Laes said:
> > On Sun, 18 May 2003 00:34:48 -0700 (PDT)
> > Amiel Martin <martina3@cc.wwu.edu> wrote:
> >
> >> I think what you should do is install MySQL 4 to help gentoo with
> >> testing. ok maybe not at work... but If you have a test box
> >> around... Im sure some help testing it would help unmask it sooner.
> >>
> >>
> >> -AMiel
> > I have been using it for a while.. works fine..
> > mysql-4.0.12.ebuild -static +readline +innodb +berkdb +tcpd +ssl
> >
> > -march=pentium3 -O3 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer -fforce-addr
> > -falign-functions=4 -fprefetch-loop-arrays
> >
> > --
> > Priit Laes <amdATttDOTee> _o)
> > http://amd-core.tk /\\ _o) _o)
> > You are magnetic in your bearing. _\_V _( ) _( )
> >
> > --
> > gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
> >
> >
>
>
> --
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>
>
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>
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* Re: [gentoo-dev] MySQL 4 still marked unstable?
2003-05-19 13:04 ` Thomas T. Veldhouse
@ 2003-05-19 16:00 ` Patrick Kursawe
2003-05-19 16:29 ` Steven Lucy
2003-05-20 2:08 ` Amiel Martin
1 sibling, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Patrick Kursawe @ 2003-05-19 16:00 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-dev
On Mon, May 19, 2003 at 08:04:49AM -0500, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote:
> Currently, trying to mix stable with ~ causes emerge -u world to
> become a nightmare if you have many ~ packages installed. Manually updating
> the world file is a pain and unwieldy if you lucky enough to be maintaining
> many servers.
Didn't you yet find the -U switch or what's wrong with it?
Wondering,
Patrick
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* Re: [gentoo-dev] MySQL 4 still marked unstable?
2003-05-19 16:00 ` Patrick Kursawe
@ 2003-05-19 16:29 ` Steven Lucy
0 siblings, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Steven Lucy @ 2003-05-19 16:29 UTC (permalink / raw
To: Patrick Kursawe, gentoo-dev
On Mon, May 19, 2003 at 06:00:00PM +0200, Patrick Kursawe <phosphan@gentoo.org> said
> Didn't you yet find the -U switch or what's wrong with it?
there are some problems with the -U switch. for instance say the newest
stable package in portage is foo-1.1, and unstable is foo-1.2-r1. you really
need that feature that was introduced in version 1.2, so you set
ACCEPT_KEYWORDS and emerge foo-1.2-r1 (or explicitly emerge that ebuild
file). time goes by and the foo-1.2-r1 is found to be buggy, and it is
replaced by foo-1.2-r2. emerge -U will not upgrade to this, because your A_K
don't allow it. as if this weren't a big enough problem by itself, after a
few weeks foo-1.2-r1.ebuild is removed from portage entirely! -U refuses to
let you stay with a package that it can't find the ebuild for, and it refuses
to upgrade to something that has the wrong KEYWORDS, so instead it /will/
downgrade to foo-1.1, which is almost never the desired behaviour.
what i think many users are looking for is a way to have some unstable and
some stable packages installed at the same time, and some way to upgrade to
the latest available stable/unstable for that package based on your choice
("sticky A_K"). having no way to do this decreases the number of people
using unstable packages, which reduces the amount of testing that gets done
and increases their time-to-stable. i can understand the difficulties in
coding such a feature, and i understand that it's in the works for upcoming
portage releases, but in the mean-time it's annoying.
Steven
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* Re: [gentoo-dev] MySQL 4 still marked unstable?
2003-05-19 13:04 ` Thomas T. Veldhouse
2003-05-19 16:00 ` Patrick Kursawe
@ 2003-05-20 2:08 ` Amiel Martin
2003-05-20 2:43 ` Thomas T. Veldhouse
1 sibling, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Amiel Martin @ 2003-05-20 2:08 UTC (permalink / raw
To: Thomas T. Veldhouse; +Cc: gentoo-dev
I know what you mean, I also think there should be a way to protect
ebuilds that you have changed (ie taking off the ~, or adding options
to the configure line) during an emerge sync
also, Im just curious, how has gentoo been for you as a server. I have
been using gentoo for desktop machines, but all my servers are still
either redhat or FreeBSD. has it been stable? secure?
Just wondrin,
-AMiel
On Mon, 19 May 2003, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote:
I would really like to see a separation of system packages from optional
packages. The ~arch flags should only apply to system packages. There
should be an option to easily install the latest reasonable non-system
packages. Currently, trying to mix stable with ~ causes emerge -u world to
become a nightmare if you have many ~ packages installed. Manually updating
the world file is a pain and unwieldy if you lucky enough to be maintaining
many servers.
Tom Veldhouse
----- Original Message -----
From: "Amiel Martin" <martina3@cc.wwu.edu>
To: "Matthew Walker" <mwalker@kydance.net>
Cc: <gentoo-dev@gentoo.org>
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 12:50 AM
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] MySQL 4 still marked unstable?
> great
>
> On Sun, 18 May 2003, Matthew Walker wrote:
>
> As I said in my original message, I have been using it on some Gentoo
> servers. Just not the main production server at work. It works flawlessly.
>
> Priit Laes said:
> > On Sun, 18 May 2003 00:34:48 -0700 (PDT)
> > Amiel Martin <martina3@cc.wwu.edu> wrote:
> >
> >> I think what you should do is install MySQL 4 to help gentoo with
> >> testing. ok maybe not at work... but If you have a test box
> >> around... Im sure some help testing it would help unmask it sooner.
> >>
> >>
> >> -AMiel
> > I have been using it for a while.. works fine..
> > mysql-4.0.12.ebuild -static +readline +innodb +berkdb +tcpd +ssl
> >
> > -march=pentium3 -O3 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer -fforce-addr
> > -falign-functions=4 -fprefetch-loop-arrays
> >
> > --
> > Priit Laes <amdATttDOTee> _o)
> > http://amd-core.tk /\\ _o) _o)
> > You are magnetic in your bearing. _\_V _( ) _( )
> >
> > --
> > gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
>
>
> --
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>
>
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* Re: [gentoo-dev] MySQL 4 still marked unstable?
2003-05-20 2:08 ` Amiel Martin
@ 2003-05-20 2:43 ` Thomas T. Veldhouse
2003-05-20 15:23 ` Grant Goodyear
0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Thomas T. Veldhouse @ 2003-05-20 2:43 UTC (permalink / raw
To: Amiel Martin; +Cc: gentoo-dev
It has been stable and secure for me. However, security is in the
administration, not in the OS (although the Gentoo folks have done well
keeping up with security alerts where source is at fault).
As far as protecting ebuilds goes, I was actually referring to the ability
to mix keywords (i.e. x86 and ~x86) and still upgrade world in an easy
manner. I think there should be two source or ebuild systems, one for the
base system and one for the "ports". In this manner one can keep the
software up to date and yet keep the system stable. I am thinking along the
lines of the freebsd ports system, but with ebuilds instead.
Tom Veldhouse
----- Original Message -----
From: "Amiel Martin" <martina3@cc.wwu.edu>
To: "Thomas T. Veldhouse" <veldy@veldy.net>
Cc: <gentoo-dev@gentoo.org>
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:08 PM
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] MySQL 4 still marked unstable?
> I know what you mean, I also think there should be a way to protect
> ebuilds that you have changed (ie taking off the ~, or adding options
> to the configure line) during an emerge sync
>
> also, Im just curious, how has gentoo been for you as a server. I have
> been using gentoo for desktop machines, but all my servers are still
> either redhat or FreeBSD. has it been stable? secure?
>
> Just wondrin,
>
> -AMiel
>
>
> On Mon, 19 May 2003, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote:
>
> I would really like to see a separation of system packages from optional
> packages. The ~arch flags should only apply to system packages. There
> should be an option to easily install the latest reasonable non-system
> packages. Currently, trying to mix stable with ~ causes emerge -u world
to
> become a nightmare if you have many ~ packages installed. Manually
updating
> the world file is a pain and unwieldy if you lucky enough to be
maintaining
> many servers.
>
> Tom Veldhouse
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Amiel Martin" <martina3@cc.wwu.edu>
> To: "Matthew Walker" <mwalker@kydance.net>
> Cc: <gentoo-dev@gentoo.org>
> Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 12:50 AM
> Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] MySQL 4 still marked unstable?
>
>
> > great
> >
> > On Sun, 18 May 2003, Matthew Walker wrote:
> >
> > As I said in my original message, I have been using it on some Gentoo
> > servers. Just not the main production server at work. It works
flawlessly.
> >
> > Priit Laes said:
> > > On Sun, 18 May 2003 00:34:48 -0700 (PDT)
> > > Amiel Martin <martina3@cc.wwu.edu> wrote:
> > >
> > >> I think what you should do is install MySQL 4 to help gentoo with
> > >> testing. ok maybe not at work... but If you have a test box
> > >> around... Im sure some help testing it would help unmask it sooner.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> -AMiel
> > > I have been using it for a while.. works fine..
> > > mysql-4.0.12.ebuild -static +readline +innodb +berkdb +tcpd +ssl
> > >
> > > -march=pentium3 -O3 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer -fforce-addr
> > > -falign-functions=4 -fprefetch-loop-arrays
> > >
> > > --
> > > Priit Laes <amdATttDOTee> _o)
> > > http://amd-core.tk /\\ _o) _o)
> > > You are magnetic in your bearing. _\_V _( ) _( )
> > >
> > > --
> > > gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
> >
> >
> > --
> > gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
> >
> >
>
>
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* Re: [gentoo-dev] MySQL 4 still marked unstable?
2003-05-20 2:43 ` Thomas T. Veldhouse
@ 2003-05-20 15:23 ` Grant Goodyear
0 siblings, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Grant Goodyear @ 2003-05-20 15:23 UTC (permalink / raw
To: Thomas T. Veldhouse; +Cc: gentoo-dev
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> As far as protecting ebuilds goes, I was actually referring to the ability
> to mix keywords (i.e. x86 and ~x86) and still upgrade world in an easy
> manner. I think there should be two source or ebuild systems, one for the
> base system and one for the "ports". In this manner one can keep the
> software up to date and yet keep the system stable. I am thinking along the
> lines of the freebsd ports system, but with ebuilds instead.
Clearly "-U" needs to get fixed, and I know that carpaski has plans to
do just that. It's worth noting, though, that one of the great
strengths of Gentoo Linux is that there is _no_ separation between
"system" and "ports" as there is in the bsd world; all packages are
handled on an equal footing. That lack of separation is one of the
things that makes Gentoo so useful as a metadistribution -- somebody who
needs a custom base profile can easily create one.
-g2boojum-
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