From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 13217 invoked by uid 1002); 29 Apr 2003 18:07:41 -0000 Mailing-List: contact gentoo-dev-help@gentoo.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Received: (qmail 4605 invoked from network); 29 Apr 2003 18:07:40 -0000 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 19:56:51 +0200 From: Henti Smith To: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Message-Id: <20030429195651.04f5fee2.bain@tcsn.co.za> Organization: The Computer Smith Networks X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.5 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i686-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [gentoo-dev] Proposed changes to how ebuilds are managed from newsletter. X-Archives-Salt: 96c3f858-17e7-48fa-bf05-09ab8f941bda X-Archives-Hash: db36daab378d5146d5d9493ab8563691 here follows the proposal: In an effort to remedy at least part of this problem, Gentoo developer Dan Armak recently summarized and RFC'd a proposal for reorganizing how Gentoo Linux manages and maintains ebuilds within the Portage tree. The new proposal has four key features: * All ebuilds should, if at all possible, have at least one maintainer assigned to them. Major ebuilds, such as KDE, GNOME and XFree86 might have two or three developers assigned to them. Realistically, only those ebuilds which are complicated or otherwise unusual are likely to have their own maintainers. * For the ebuilds that cannot have their own maintainer and are not complicated enough to require one, they will be organized into thematic groups. So, there might be a "sound" category and a "video" category. Each themed group will have one or more maintainers assigned to it who are responsible for watching for newer upstream versions and bumping those ebuilds in the testing branch of Portage. * These thematic groups are not intended to replace or even necessarily align with Portage categories. Portage categories are a user-side convenience designed to make organizing packages easier. Themed groups of maintainers are a developer-side convenience, designed to ensure complete coverage of the Portage tree. * Finally, if an ebuild is deemed to be complicated enough to need a dedicated maintainer, it will be listed as "unmaintained" and in need of a new owner. If it is not picked up within a pre-determined amount of time, it will be masked and later dropped from Portage. For those people familiar with Debian Linux, this is similar to the method they use for their package maintenance. Currently, this solution is in the draft stage and is subject to revision or even complete abandonment if a better solution comes along. This sounds good ... I do however have a few questions .. this proposal sounds good from the developers side .. but shows very little leeway for user contributed interaction which from reading many mails and discussions seems to be the real problem. The users contribute and it takes a long time for a responce. this system will make ebuild responcibility inside the development group easer to assign .. but if as was proposed, a package needs a dedicated developer .. and one does not rise to take it .. it gets dropped .. will this be regardless of user usage and contribution .. or will users that contribute to packages be "accepted" in to the development folds for ebuilds for that package? I also think users can be used a lot better to do little things that developers needn't have to do .. but end up doing anyway, like looking for latest versions of packages already in the portage tree. This doesn't realy make sence for me since there is an existing ebuild that works and has passed the "to be allowed to portage" test, it should be easer for a user to take that ebuild .. bump the version and test it submit it and the "group" / "dedicated" developer can test and fine tune if need be. Maybe be a little more clear on how users will interact with developers in the ebuild system will help since users are very keen on helping with ebuilds. Henti -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list