Well I wasn't really asking for the wheel reinvented, more of a move from bias-ply to steel belted radials. Starting in single mode and executing /sbin/rc default brings up local and metalog, skipped postfix and cron, and left me with only one vc and never did make it to the startDM script. What I was trying to say is that instead of using numbered init runlevels, the package I referred to allows such as "telinit default" "telinit nonetwork" and will execute them as such. Also the need(8) seems to take care of a lot of stuff through code that you currently use bash scripts for, and allows you to rollback to any point in a runlevel. It comes with a nice userspace demo that you can check out without altering your current init setup. I just figured that if its simplicity and flexibility wowed even me, that perhaps it wouldn't be lost on anyone truly in the know. I know the standard answer of develop it myself and submit it, but I'm not a developer, so my next resort is to appeal to those that are:) On an unrelated note, there must be a better way to report smaller bugs.. I mean do you really want to see a bugzilla report such as "Added ampersand to /sbin/rc to supress devfsd version output on boot"? Thanks for your time:) -- Chuck Brewer Registered Linux User #284015 Get my gpg public key at pgp.mit.edu!! Encrypted e-mail preferred.