From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 (2022-12-14) on finch.gentoo.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=DMARC_MISSING, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RDNS_DYNAMIC autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=4.0.0 Received: from greylight.firinn.org (12-239-52-172.client.attbi.com [12.239.52.172]) by chiba.3jane.net (Postfix) with SMTP id DC6CBAC683 for ; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 09:15:05 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 9921 invoked by uid 1000); 24 Sep 2002 14:19:47 -0000 Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 09:19:47 -0500 From: Mark Bainter To: Moritz Schulte Cc: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] License criteria for Gentoo Message-ID: <20020924141947.GI10976@firinn.org> Mail-Followup-To: Moritz Schulte , gentoo-dev@gentoo.org References: <1032754822.6898.21.camel@bosch.spidex.com> <3D903ED1.3060901@myrealbox.com> <877khbfyr7.fsf@fnord.sc> <003001c263be$c2e72720$f32e58cf@mia> <87znu7efae.fsf@fnord.sc> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <87znu7efae.fsf@fnord.sc> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Operating-System: Linux 2.4.19-crypto-r7 on a i586 X-PGP-Fingerprint: CF87 F5AA 26AB 9FA2 BBF3 90D0 0DD1 D14C B2DF AD43 Sender: gentoo-dev-admin@gentoo.org Errors-To: gentoo-dev-admin@gentoo.org X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.6 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Gentoo Linux developer list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: X-Archives-Salt: ee265842-ce99-42c8-9a10-2c8937dcbb33 X-Archives-Hash: 46d6759ff59fd8d703bfed058598cbff Moritz Schulte [moritz@duesseldorf.ccc.de] wrote: > "Kevyn Shortell" writes: > > Well, of course, Linux and GNU components are the most essential > pieces of the system, but they are essential in a different way. I > could imagine that the order "GNU/Linux" has historical roots. The > GNU Project was working on this free, Unix like operating system, > named "GNU". Many components of GNU were finished, but the Hurd core > was not ready yet. At that time Linux envolved and it became obvious > that all the GNU components combined with the Linux component can form > a more or less complete operating system. So the name of system > wouldn't be GNU anymore - but GNU/Linux. [snip] > Not RMS wants credit, he doesn't ask Gentoo to use the term RMS/Linux. > He wants credit for the GNU Project, which means: many, many other > people. I think you misunderstand why RMS does this. I think it really has little to do with giving credit for that development to the developers. That's already done. This is about RMS making sure that the GNU foundation stays at the front of people's thoughts. This is about RMS's free software crusade, thus, it's entirely about marketing. He needs GNU to continue to be a name in common usage, and to keep his group in out there in front of people. It's all about the cause. I understand this, and I can appreciate what he is trying to do. I just don't agree that this is the way to go about it. If in fact I'm wrong, and it IS about the credit, then I disagree even more. To make this issue about giving credit means that they overstate their own importance in the big scheme of things. I am thankfull for those who did the work, as well as the work they did, but if they hadn't done it someone else would have. To think that they are or were somehow critically important to this movement is incredibly foolish. Nobody is indispensible, that's the beauty of it. Any of us could disappear of the face of the earth and someone else would pop up to take our place, and things would keep going. --