From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 (2022-12-14) on finch.gentoo.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=DMARC_QUAR,FREEMAIL_FROM, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,NICE_REPLY_A,RDNS_DYNAMIC autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=4.0.0 Received: from tharkserver.tharknet.lotr (p5082CAAD.dip.t-dialin.net [80.130.202.173]) by chiba.3jane.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDE12ABD9E for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 06:59:45 -0500 (CDT) Received: from tharkun.tharknet.lotr (tharkun.tharknet.lotr [192.168.168.200]) by tharkserver.tharknet.lotr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D02981D5400 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 13:59:40 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Alexander Gretencord To: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Upgrade, course of action. Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 13:59:39 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.2 References: <2301.12.247.253.40.1030094569.squirrel@sc.am> <02082320254900.01412@bugler> <2799.66.247.109.90.1030166693.squirrel@sc.am> In-Reply-To: <2799.66.247.109.90.1030166693.squirrel@sc.am> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200208241359.39309.arutha@gmx.de> Sender: gentoo-dev-admin@gentoo.org Errors-To: gentoo-dev-admin@gentoo.org X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.6 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Gentoo Linux developer list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: X-Archives-Salt: debcaa74-5705-4b99-a256-cf0cf16392af X-Archives-Hash: 75f58b2e96fd042b8bd9df8f4ccb77ec On Saturday 24 August 2002 07:24, Gregg wrote: > Everyone keeps telling me how brave I am. I have to say, it doesnt see= m > that way to me. Sure, backup solutions are bought after the first real big crash, securit= y=20 measures are taken after one billion credit card numbers have been stolen= =20 etc. you get the picture. I have absolutely no idea what kind of customer= s=20 you have but I wouldn't want to have my domain hosted on a system running= on=20 gcc 3.1 and all the latest packages. It's great for me at home but for serious computing it's just not reliabl= e=20 enough. I don't say it has to crash but I say I don't know enough working= =20 examples and theres no vendor to blame. Sure you've had no real outage (due to gentoo), many ppl never had proble= ms=20 with xfs, I lost part of my homedir. On the other hand I never had proble= ms=20 with reiserfs even when it wasn't in the main kernel others lost everythi= ng.=20 It's all about the risk. Gcc 3.1 is not as tested as it should be (heck 3.1 is not even the "real"= 3.x=20 release) and some software is behaving strangely especially with athlon=20 optimizations. Gentoo itself is known to have broken ebuilds etc. (I've y= et=20 to emerge one of those myself so far everything has worked). That's why we say brave. It's really great to have someone testing all th= is=20 out but I just wouldn't test it on paying customers that don't know about= all=20 this. You do know about "production", "integration" and "testing" systems= ? :) Alex --=20 "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary saf= ety=20 deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin