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From: gentoo-dev-request@gentoo.org
To: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org
Subject: gentoo-dev digest, Vol 1 #440 - 17 msgs
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 04:16:05 -0500 (CDT)
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Today's Topics:

   1. OpenOffice (Tristan Sloughter)
   2. Re: OpenOffice (Thomas Beaudry)
   3. Re: OpenOffice (Troy Dack)
   4. Re: CJK testing (Thomas Beaudry)
   5. Re: CJK testing (Marko Mikulicic)
   6. Re: CJK testing (Cong)
   7. Re: CJK testing (Marko Mikulicic)
   8. New XForms Ebuild. (Owen Stampflee)
   9. Re: Moderator? (Christian Axelsson)
  10. Getting $SRC_URI in  a bash program (Viktor Lakics)
  11. Re: Getting $SRC_URI in  a bash program (Owen Stampflee)
  12. Request for Testers:  Gnumeric stable  1.0.9 (Spider)
  13. Re: Request for Testers:  Gnumeric stable  1.0.9 (William Kenworthy)
  14. RE: GCC 3.1/3.2 (Michael Mattsson)
  15. RE: GCC 3.1/3.2 (Thomas Beaudry)
  16. Newbie to Linux (Anan Zeevy)
  17. A LIFE TIME OPPORTUNITY (Mrs. Nkonuko)

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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 17:06:31 -0400
From: Tristan Sloughter <tsloughter@telocity.com>
To: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org
Subject: [gentoo-dev] OpenOffice

I have tried to emerge openoffice, the source not bin, but it gives this 
error:

Calculating dependencies |
!!! Error: couldn't find match for >=sys-devel/gcc-3.0.4-r3 in 
app-office/openoffice-641d-r1

What is wrong here, it tells me i need gcc-3.0.4-r3, yet its not 
available to be emerged. Ive found the .ebuild on my system for that 
version of gcc, but i cant get that to emerge either. What is going on 
here, is it just a mess up that will be fixed soon? Id really like to 
emerge the openoffice source.

Tristan Sloughter


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Message: 2
From: "Thomas Beaudry" <tmbeaudry@msn.com>
To: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] OpenOffice
Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 23:04:13 +0000


>I have tried to emerge openoffice, the source not bin, but it gives this 
>error:
>
>Calculating dependencies |
>!!! Error: couldn't find match for >=sys-devel/gcc-3.0.4-r3 in
>app-office/openoffice-641d-r1
>
>What is wrong here, it tells me i need gcc-3.0.4-r3, yet its not
>available to be emerged. Ive found the .ebuild on my system for that
>version of gcc, but i cant get that to emerge either. What is going on 
>here, is it just a mess up that will be fixed soon? Id really like to 
>emerge the openoffice source.

Maybe you should emerge sync first.  Openoffice-641d-r1.ebuild is not
in my portage tree.  When you have ebuild problems it always helps to
make sure you have the latest ebuilds.



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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 09:05:44 +1000
From: Troy Dack <troy@tkdack.com>
To: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] OpenOffice

Quoting Tristan Sloughter <tsloughter@telocity.com>:

> I have tried to emerge openoffice, the source not bin, but it gives this 
> error:
> 
> Calculating dependencies |
> !!! Error: couldn't find match for >=sys-devel/gcc-3.0.4-r3 in 
> app-office/openoffice-641d-r1
> 
> What is wrong here, it tells me i need gcc-3.0.4-r3, yet its not 
> available to be emerged. Ive found the .ebuild on my system for that 
> version of gcc, but i cant get that to emerge either. What is going on 
> here, is it just a mess up that will be fixed soon? Id really like to 
> emerge the openoffice source.

It's actually telling you that it needs a version of gcc that is "greater than
or equal" to 3.0.4-r3.

So emerge gcc-3.1 and you should be right.

If you have installed gentoo from a 1.0/1.1/1.2 iso image then you are more than
likely using a gcc-2.95 profile, if this is the case then the gcc-3.1 ebuild may
well be masked or not available for installation using emerge.  All is not lost,
you can install it like so:

ebuild /full/path/to/gcc-3.1.ebuild merge

Yes, you can have both gcc-2.95 & gcc-3.1 installed on the same machine and they
will play nicely together.

-- 
     Troy Dack

     http://linuxserver.tkdack.com                  http://gentoo.tkdack.com

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Message: 4
From: "Thomas Beaudry" <tmbeaudry@msn.com>
To: stubear@gentoo.org, gentoo-dev@gentoo.org, gentoo-core@gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] CJK testing
Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 23:09:25 +0000


> > I'm with Marko.  The use flag should be unicode.  More accurate
> > description of what it's for even if people are only using it for
> > CJK support at the moment.
>
>The reason that CJK was chosen was that untill postgresql, I have only
>ever seen --enable-multibyte used for adding Asian font capabilities. It
>wasn't till this response that I was even aware that postgresql used it
>to add support for unicode (and others as well). I'll have to look at
>this issue in more depth because on occasion adding Asian support
>sometimes kills Russian or Greek support. May have to add an additional
>flag.
>
>Unicode in this case is better, but not actually more accurate as
>unicode is just 1 of many encodings that postgresql activate with
>--enable-multibyte. multibyte or i18n might be more appropriate?

Multibyte sounds like the best to me.  i18n uses both single- and multi-
byte fonts so wouldn't be entirely accurate.


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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 01:49:31 +0200
From: Marko Mikulicic <marko@seul.org>
To: Thomas Beaudry <tmbeaudry@msn.com>
Cc: stubear@gentoo.org, gentoo-dev@gentoo.org, gentoo-core@gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] CJK testing

Thomas Beaudry wrote:
> 
>> > I'm with Marko.  The use flag should be unicode.  More accurate
>> > description of what it's for even if people are only using it for
>> > CJK support at the moment.
>>
>> The reason that CJK was chosen was that untill postgresql, I have only
>> ever seen --enable-multibyte used for adding Asian font capabilities. It
>> wasn't till this response that I was even aware that postgresql used it
>> to add support for unicode (and others as well). I'll have to look at
>> this issue in more depth because on occasion adding Asian support
>> sometimes kills Russian or Greek support. May have to add an additional
>> flag.

So, when someone wants russian and greek (together->unicode) in 
postgresql it has to enable CJK and then possibly break some other 
applications which have nothing to do with pgsql.

>>
>> Unicode in this case is better, but not actually more accurate as
>> unicode is just 1 of many encodings that postgresql activate with
>> --enable-multibyte. multibyte or i18n might be more appropriate?

I use always unicode inside the database because the client can choose
the encoding for the connection and an eventual conversion happens on
the fly. But someone may want to store the data internally in a specific 
encoding for performance issues.
  Automatic conversion can be disabled (and this saves performance and code
size).
  This make me think about the possibility to have a finer granularity
in configuring an ebuild:

1) Combinations of global use flags activate a ebuild-local use flag.
2) ebuild-local use flags have effect only on a given ebuild

for example:

global use flag: "unicode" -> local flag: "postgresql/multibyte"
global use flag: "cjk" -> local flag: "postgresql/multibyte"

pseudo code in ebuild: if use unicode or use then multibyte

"local" (a better name...) use flags are like use flags but prefixed 
with the ebuild name path.

/etc/make.conf:  USE="... cjk -postgresql/unicode-conversion"

this flags enable multibyte for Chinese-Japanese-Korean but
without the overhead of conversions to other encodings.

If this make sense to you I will elaborate it better and send
a feature bug. But if it is stupid tell me now :-)

> 
> Multibyte sounds like the best to me.  i18n uses both single- and multi-
> byte fonts so wouldn't be entirely accurate.

Multibyte is not bad as it is a 1-to-1 mapping with the configure flag,
but I think i may be confusing. The word "multibyte" doesn't associate
with text and encoding but to actual implementation.

Marko



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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 09:03:15 +0900
From: Cong <vo.chi.cong-linux@is.titech.ac.jp>
To: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] CJK testing

Do you Marko use any of Japanese, Korean or Chinese?

Anyway, I believe that the patch for mutt-1.4-r2.ebuild
makes it useable for only Japanese users (including me).

mutt-1.4-r2.ebuild works well. Thank you.

Cong

On Sun, Jul 28, 2002 at 03:41:52PM +0200, Marko Mikulicic wrote:
> Stuart Bouyer wrote:
> >Sorry for the stupidity, 
> >
> >the packages are
> >
> >net-mail/mutt-1.4-r2.ebuild
> >dev-db/postgresql-7.2.1-r2.ebuild
> 
> I'm already changed the postgresql ebuild like you did
> and I used "--enable-multibyte" for some time. It works.
> You ebuild compiles well.
>  The only problem I see is the name "CJK".
> I use unicode for other languages, for example in order to have in the 
> same database latin1 and latin2. Is difficult to guess for an 
> east-european user that it should use "CJK" for it's language.
> I would prefer if the use flag should be called in a more general way.
>  (unicode)
> 
> Marko
> 
> 
> 
> 

-- 
Cong 

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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 02:23:33 +0200
From: Marko Mikulicic <marko@seul.org>
To: gentoo-dev <gentoo-dev@gentoo.org>
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] CJK testing

Cong wrote:
 > Do you Marko use any of Japanese, Korean or Chinese?
Not really. Watakushi wa nihon go wakarimasen :-)
I'd like to see japanese support for emacs
since I like to play with foreign languages and emacs
was the simpler solution for inputing hiragana and kanji
that I've seen. (it worked on mandrake but on gentoo is missing)
   I don't know what to input hiragana in mutt or in kde :-(
I know how it works internally but I don't know how to use it like an
user :-(
   What should I install to test CJK support. Terminal ? I see no kterm.
How do you write hiragana and kanji in kde/gnome/mozilla ?

 >
 > Anyway, I believe that the patch for mutt-1.4-r2.ebuild
 > makes it useable for only Japanese users (including me).
Yes, this case is different from postgresql.

Marko





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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 22:11:12 +0000
From: Owen Stampflee <owen@gentoo.org>
To: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org
Subject: [gentoo-dev] New XForms Ebuild.

Hi All,

Well, after trying to track down some LyX bugs, one of their developers 
pointed out that the XForms had been released under the GPL. This ebuild 
takes advantage of it as the old stuff was horribly broken. 

It just hit CVS, should hit rsync soon. Please unmask and test.

Owen

-- 
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Gentoo PPC Developer - http://www.gentoo.org


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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 07:41:46 +0200
From: Christian Axelsson <smiler@lanil.mine.nu>
To: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Moderator?
Organization: LANIL

--------------------
On Sun, 28 Jul 2002 23:44:29 +0200 (MET DST)							
Karl Trygve Kalleberg <karltk@prosalg.no> wrote:

> The mailman version we are using is not that powerful, and the hack is a
> stop-gap measure until we've implemented a proper solution.

Just changing the reply message temporarly should be an easy hack in the code if 
it cant be done via configuration files. 

--
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smiler@lanil.mine.nu

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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 06:52:21 +0100
From: Viktor Lakics <viktor@lakics.net>
To: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org
Subject: [gentoo-dev] Getting $SRC_URI in  a bash program

Hi devs,

I am learning bash, and since I run gentoo, I thought the best way
to learn is manipulate ebuilds:-)).

How can I extract the value of SRC_URI from a given ebuild in  a
bash program? Do I have to call emerge or ebuild somehow!? What I
would like is to get the exact URL or just the basename of the file
as a string to manipulate my distfiles.

Anyone has an idea?

Thanks in advance. -- Viktor 


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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 23:00:32 +0000
From: Owen Stampflee <owen@gentoo.org>
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Getting $SRC_URI in  a bash program
To: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org

Simply source the ebuild, and SRC_URI and other variables will be set.
This wont work for ${P}, ${PN}, ${PV}, etc. etc. as they are not set in the 
ebuild themselves.

Owen

-- 
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Gentoo Linux Developer - http://www.gentoo.org


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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 08:22:30 +0200
From: Spider <spider@gentoo.org>
To: gentoo-dev <gentoo-dev@gentoo.org>
Organization: Chaotic
Subject: [gentoo-dev] Request for Testers:  Gnumeric stable  1.0.9

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Hello,
New release of gnumeric out and masked.
since I dont really use this, Im not all sure what the useflags do and
need some testing to make sure that all the useflags work okay.

Give it a whirl and let me have some feedback, if there are no bugs in
the builds or so in the next few days itll be unmasked by me or some
other dev :)


Thanks in advance,
  //Spider

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Message: 13
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Request for Testers:  Gnumeric stable  1.0.9
From: William Kenworthy <billk@iinet.net.au>
To: Spider <spider@gentoo.org>
Cc: gentoo-dev <gentoo-dev@gentoo.org>
Organization: Home
Date: 29 Jul 2002 14:52:41 +0800

I take it this is 1.09: is there any possibility of doing the gnome2
versions - there is apparently some real advantages to it?  I am using
gentoo 1.3b.

BillK


On Mon, 2002-07-29 at 14:22, Spider wrote:
> Hello,
> New release of gnumeric out and masked.
> since I dont really use this, Im not all sure what the useflags do and
> need some testing to make sure that all the useflags work okay.
> 
> Give it a whirl and let me have some feedback, if there are no bugs in
> the builds or so in the next few days itll be unmasked by me or some
> other dev :)
> 
> 
> Thanks in advance,
>   //Spider
> 
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Message: 14
From: "Michael Mattsson" <michael@kyrana.com>
To: <gentoo-dev@gentoo.org>
Subject: RE: [gentoo-dev] GCC 3.1/3.2
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 03:14:21 -0400


> Most of my patches are actually in the Gentoo source tree. When you
> emerge a package and you see a line that it's patching the 
> source code right after unpacking the source... that's possibly one of

> the gcc-3.1 patches. As far as where I send the patches to... I go to
the 
> maintainer's website and e-mail it to him/her and also explain all my 
> changes. 

Gentoo patches 3rd party apps for new GCC versions?  I would have
expected the original package author to be doing that, not people from a
particular distro. 

> And if you wanna see lots of kernel hacks at patches by us Gentoo 
> people... try mjc-sources

Is gentoo developing the patches in mjc, or just including them?  Most
of the patch authors I recognize from the linux-kernel mailing list - do
many of them work with gentoo?






Michael Mattsson
Kyrana Inc.
michael@kyrana.com




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Message: 15
From: "Thomas Beaudry" <tmbeaudry@msn.com>
To: michael@kyrana.com, gentoo-dev@gentoo.org
Subject: RE: [gentoo-dev] GCC 3.1/3.2
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 07:28:19 +0000


>Gentoo patches 3rd party apps for new GCC versions?
>I would have expected the original package author to
>be doing that, not people from a particular distro.

All the distros do it.  Nobody wants to wait for the
maintaner to find the time, they usually have other
work to do to put food on the table.  That's the reason
the updates happen so fast.  Among all the distros,
there's someone who has the time (and quite often is
paid to do so, e.g. Mandrake, Red Hat) to figure out
the fixes right away.  As soon as they have it figured
out, they email it to the maintaner who then usually
checks it out and merges it into the code.


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Message: 16
From: Anan Zeevy <Anan.Zeevy@orange.co.il>
To: "'gentoo-dev@gentoo.org'" <gentoo-dev@gentoo.org>
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 10:58:37 +0200
Subject: [gentoo-dev] Newbie to Linux

Hi,

I have bought a copy of the 1.2 Gentoo CD from ComputerHelperGuy and I wish
to install it on my computer.
As a newbie, instead of trying it immediately (and thus miserably failing
and wasting my time) I'd like to know what manuals should I print to have
handy during the installation, and what should I learn before trying to
install Gentoo on my computer.

My specs:
Mother board: Asus A7V333 (VIA KT333)
CPU: Athlon 1800+ (slightly overclocked)
MEM: 1GB Transcend 333Mhz DDR
HDD:	Primary (Master) - Maxtor 80GB
	Secondary (Slave) - IBM 20GB unpartitioned, unformatted (intended
for Gentoo)
Graphic: Matrox G400 DH 32MB
Sound: Currently using onboard sound (C-Media 8738), switching to Hercules
Game theater XP (Cirrus Logic CS4630) in a few days.
2 NICS: 3com 905b (pptp adsl), intel pro 10/100 (lan)
CD-R (master): Plextor (PX-W401240A)
DVD (Slave): Asus (E-616)

Also, could you please tell me where can I find the instructions for
enabling Hebrew support as in Dan Armak's screenshot ?

Best regards,
               Anan Zeevy

Tel: +972 50 222175
work: mailto:anan.zeevy@orange.co.il
home: mailto:anan_z@israsrv.net.il


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Message: 17
From: "Mrs. Nkonuko" <nkonuko3@rediffmail.com>
To: <gentoo-dev@gentoo.org>
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 10:12:40 -0700
Reply-To: "Mrs. Nkonuko" <holywoman20@mail.com>
Subject: [gentoo-dev] A LIFE TIME OPPORTUNITY

From: Mrs. Nkonuko,
Auditing and Accounting Unit.
Foreign Operations Department Banque Togolaise
Pour Le Commerce Et L’Industrie,
Lome-Togo. 
Tel:+228-9135387

ATTN: THE MANAGING DIRECTOR/CEO. 

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Yours Faithfully, 

Mrs. Nkonuko 











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