[gentoo-dev] adapting webmin and usermin

[gentoo-dev] adapting webmin and usermin

[Jose Alberto Suarez Lopez]

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Hi,

can be interesting, port webmin <www.webmin.com> to gentoo,
anybody with freetime? :)

regards

José Alberto Suárez López
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Re: [gentoo-dev] adapting webmin and usermin

[Maciek Borowka]

:+/

Why not? As a gentoo user since quite a long time, I could finally give some 
work to the distribution...

 Contact me off the list so we can discuss the details...

/Maciek
<maciek@borowka.net>


On Wednesday 05 June 2002 00:05, Jose Alberto Suarez Lopez wrote:
> Hi,
>
> can be interesting, port webmin <www.webmin.com> to gentoo,
> anybody with freetime? :)
>
> regards
>
> José Alberto Suárez López

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Re: [gentoo-dev] adapting webmin and usermin

[Chris Davies]

Hi,

I've actually been doing just this for a couple of days now.. I'm not
really ready to go public with the resulting patch and ebuild but I
suppose this might be a good time to ask a few questions that come into
my head.

1) I am currently using the directory /opt/webmin as an installation
dir. I appreciate that Gentoo wants to keep /opt for binaries only, and
that webmin does not technically qualify as a binary distribution, but I
think it comes damn close. Does anyone agree/disagree with this view,
and if you disagree, where should webmin go?

2) SSL. Perl doesn't pay any attention to the ssl use flag as far as I
am aware, so my strategy has been to have Perl grab the SSL module from
CPAN if the use var is set, and then configure webmin with support for
same. Again, comments? Suggestions?

3) What distribution should be chosen as a close approximation of
Gentoo. I choose Redhat 7.2 as my first guess, and then later upgraded
to .3 and I haven't noticed anything obviously broken, but extensive
testing would be required before I'd let this anywhere near portage.
Suggestions? Volunteers for testing? :)

4) I presumed that Webmin should not automatically be started on boot,
that stuff should be handled by the user and whatever their preference
of inetd or xinetd is, is this the correct approach?

5) License. Webmin uses a strange one, but not one that is restrictive.
I presume it is OK just to add an entry in Gentoo's Lisencing dir
specifically for Webmin and its kin.

Any suggestions welcome, I'll post further when I have some more
tangible results to show.

Thanks,
C.Davies


On Tue, 2002-06-04 at 23:05, Jose Alberto Suarez Lopez wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> can be interesting, port webmin <www.webmin.com> to gentoo,
> anybody with freetime? :)
> 
> regards
> 
> José Alberto Suárez López
> -- 
> <bass@gentoo.org>
> <bass@adala.org>
> <josealberto.suarez@hispalinux.es>
> http://www.gentoo.org
> http://www.adala.org
> http://bass.dnsalias.com
> http://gimp.es.gnome.org
> 
-- 

Chris Davies <c.davies@cdavies.org>
CS Student, Swansea, UK.
http://www.cdavies.org/
Public Key: http://www.cdavies.org/cdavies.gpg

Re: [gentoo-dev] adapting webmin and usermin

[Jose Alberto Suarez Lopez]

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On 05 Jun 2002 04:38:14 +0100
Chris Davies <c.davies@cdavies.org> wrote:

  |Hi,
  |
  |I've actually been doing just this for a couple of days now.. I'm not
  |really ready to go public with the resulting patch and ebuild but I
  |suppose this might be a good time to ask a few questions that come into
  |my head.
  |
  |1) I am currently using the directory /opt/webmin as an installation
  |dir. I appreciate that Gentoo wants to keep /opt for binaries only, and
  |that webmin does not technically qualify as a binary distribution, but
I
  |think it comes damn close. Does anyone agree/disagree with this view,
  |and if you disagree, where should webmin go?
  
/opt is a good choice, but i think that it can be best /var


  |2) SSL. Perl doesn't pay any attention to the ssl use flag as far as I
  |am aware, so my strategy has been to have Perl grab the SSL module from
  |CPAN if the use var is set, and then configure webmin with support for
  |same. Again, comments? Suggestions?

well if you can use the USE variable cool :)

  |3) What distribution should be chosen as a close approximation of
  |Gentoo. I choose Redhat 7.2 as my first guess, and then later upgraded
  |to .3 and I haven't noticed anything obviously broken, but extensive
  |testing would be required before I'd let this anywhere near portage.
  |Suggestions? Volunteers for testing? :)

i thinks that debian, slackware, o inclusive freebsd are more exact that
redhat

  |4) I presumed that Webmin should not automatically be started on boot,
  |that stuff should be handled by the user and whatever their preference
  |of inetd or xinetd is, is this the correct approach?

you can do a simple script to do it

  |5) License. Webmin uses a strange one, but not one that is restrictive.
  |I presume it is OK just to add an entry in Gentoo's Lisencing dir
  |specifically for Webmin and its kin.

yes, it can be usefull for others webmin products, like usermin.

when you finish with webmin, can be interesting adapt too usermin :)

contact with Maciek <maciek@borowka.net>, he wants to help :)


José Alberto Suárez López
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Re: [gentoo-dev] adapting webmin and usermin

[Chris Davies]

Thanks for all the advice :)

I will look into packaging usermin when I have done webmin but my main
motivation is that at really want to write a portage front end for
webmin, so I don't have to bother running sshd on a fair few of my
machines. I dare say some other people may even find it useful...

Cheers,
C.Davies

On Wed, 2002-06-05 at 10:02, Jose Alberto Suarez Lopez wrote:
> On 05 Jun 2002 04:38:14 +0100
> Chris Davies <c.davies@cdavies.org> wrote:
> 
>   |Hi,
>   |
>   |I've actually been doing just this for a couple of days now.. I'm not
>   |really ready to go public with the resulting patch and ebuild but I
>   |suppose this might be a good time to ask a few questions that come into
>   |my head.
>   |
>   |1) I am currently using the directory /opt/webmin as an installation
>   |dir. I appreciate that Gentoo wants to keep /opt for binaries only, and
>   |that webmin does not technically qualify as a binary distribution, but
> I
>   |think it comes damn close. Does anyone agree/disagree with this view,
>   |and if you disagree, where should webmin go?
>   
> /opt is a good choice, but i think that it can be best /var
> 
> 
>   |2) SSL. Perl doesn't pay any attention to the ssl use flag as far as I
>   |am aware, so my strategy has been to have Perl grab the SSL module from
>   |CPAN if the use var is set, and then configure webmin with support for
>   |same. Again, comments? Suggestions?
> 
> well if you can use the USE variable cool :)
> 
>   |3) What distribution should be chosen as a close approximation of
>   |Gentoo. I choose Redhat 7.2 as my first guess, and then later upgraded
>   |to .3 and I haven't noticed anything obviously broken, but extensive
>   |testing would be required before I'd let this anywhere near portage.
>   |Suggestions? Volunteers for testing? :)
> 
> i thinks that debian, slackware, o inclusive freebsd are more exact that
> redhat
> 
>   |4) I presumed that Webmin should not automatically be started on boot,
>   |that stuff should be handled by the user and whatever their preference
>   |of inetd or xinetd is, is this the correct approach?
> 
> you can do a simple script to do it
> 
>   |5) License. Webmin uses a strange one, but not one that is restrictive.
>   |I presume it is OK just to add an entry in Gentoo's Lisencing dir
>   |specifically for Webmin and its kin.
> 
> yes, it can be usefull for others webmin products, like usermin.
> 
> when you finish with webmin, can be interesting adapt too usermin :)
> 
> contact with Maciek <maciek@borowka.net>, he wants to help :)
> 
> 
> José Alberto Suárez López
> -- 
> <bass@gentoo.org>
> <bass@adala.org>
> <josealberto.suarez@hispalinux.es>
> http://www.gentoo.org
> http://www.adala.org
> http://bass.dnsalias.com
> http://gimp.es.gnome.org
> 
-- 

Chris Davies <c.davies@cdavies.org>
CS Student, Swansea, UK.
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Re: [gentoo-dev] adapting webmin and usermin

[Joachim Blaabjerg]

On Wednesday 05 June 2002 11:02, Jose Alberto Suarez Lopez wrote:

>   |3) What distribution should be chosen as a close approximation of
>   |Gentoo. I choose Redhat 7.2 as my first guess, and then later upgraded
>   |to .3 and I haven't noticed anything obviously broken, but extensive
>   |testing would be required before I'd let this anywhere near portage.
>   |Suggestions? Volunteers for testing? :)
>
> i thinks that debian, slackware, o inclusive freebsd are more exact that
> redhat

Well, I'm not too sure. I'm not an eager Webmin user (I guess I've tested it 
once or so), but wouldn't the BSD/SysV init scripts b0rk?

Anyway, I heard some mumbling about Webmin and how the author was working on a 
Gentoo profile himself... Can someone confirm that?

Regards,

-- 
Joachim Blaabjerg
styx@SuxOS.org
www.SuxOS.org

Re: [gentoo-dev] adapting webmin and usermin

[Maciek Borowka]

Joachim Blaabjerg napisał(a):
> Anyway, I heard some mumbling about Webmin and how the author was
> working on a  Gentoo profile himself... Can someone confirm that?

Gentoo module is on the wishlist with the status : "Need Contributor(s)"
however...

/Maciek

Re: [gentoo-dev] adapting webmin and usermin

[Chris Davies]

Hi,

I have no idea if an 'official' gentoo profile is in the pipeline, but
I'll be sure to send a patch when I complete my own, as it would be a
deal prettier to build if that stuff was included right in the tarball.
We'll see :)

Thanks,
C.Davies

On Wed, 2002-06-05 at 14:31, Joachim Blaabjerg wrote:
> On Wednesday 05 June 2002 11:02, Jose Alberto Suarez Lopez wrote:
> 
> >   |3) What distribution should be chosen as a close approximation of
> >   |Gentoo. I choose Redhat 7.2 as my first guess, and then later upgraded
> >   |to .3 and I haven't noticed anything obviously broken, but extensive
> >   |testing would be required before I'd let this anywhere near portage.
> >   |Suggestions? Volunteers for testing? :)
> >
> > i thinks that debian, slackware, o inclusive freebsd are more exact that
> > redhat
> 
> Well, I'm not too sure. I'm not an eager Webmin user (I guess I've tested it 
> once or so), but wouldn't the BSD/SysV init scripts b0rk?
> 
> Anyway, I heard some mumbling about Webmin and how the author was working on a 
> Gentoo profile himself... Can someone confirm that?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> -- 
> Joachim Blaabjerg
> styx@SuxOS.org
> www.SuxOS.org
> 
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Re: [gentoo-dev] adapting webmin and usermin

[Per Wigren]

> Hi,

Hi! ;)

> 1) I am currently using the directory /opt/webmin as an installation
> dir. I appreciate that Gentoo wants to keep /opt for binaries only, and
> that webmin does not technically qualify as a binary distribution, but I
> think it comes damn close. Does anyone agree/disagree with this view,
> and if you disagree, where should webmin go?

I think it should be installed in /usr/{bin,sbin,lib/webmin,share/webmin} as 
most (all?) other packages with source do..

> 2) SSL. Perl doesn't pay any attention to the ssl use flag as far as I
> am aware, so my strategy has been to have Perl grab the SSL module from
> CPAN if the use var is set, and then configure webmin with support for
> same. Again, comments? Suggestions?

Create a separate ebuild for dev-perl/ssl if it doesn't exist already, and 
make webmin depend on it if ssl is in USE.. eg:
DEPEND="ssl? ( dev-perl/ssl )"

> 3) What distribution should be chosen as a close approximation of
> Gentoo. I choose Redhat 7.2 as my first guess, and then later upgraded
> to .3 and I haven't noticed anything obviously broken, but extensive
> testing would be required before I'd let this anywhere near portage.
> Suggestions? Volunteers for testing? :)

I'm not sure, but I'd guess Debian or FreeBSD are the ones that come closest..

> 4) I presumed that Webmin should not automatically be started on boot,
> that stuff should be handled by the user and whatever their preference
> of inetd or xinetd is, is this the correct approach?

Just create a /etc/init.d/webmin start/stop-script.. Then the user just have 
to run "rc-update add webmin default" to make it start at boot, just like 
with all other "daemon"-packages...
You can (and should) also add a /etc/xinetd.d/webmin that contains the line 
"disable = yes"...

> 5) License. Webmin uses a strange one, but not one that is restrictive.
> I presume it is OK just to add an entry in Gentoo's Lisencing dir
> specifically for Webmin and its kin.

Yes.

> Any suggestions welcome, I'll post further when I have some more
> tangible results to show.

Please ask if you have any questions or need any help!

// Wigren