From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 (2022-12-14) on finch.gentoo.org X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.2 required=5.0 tests=DMARC_MISSING,FAKE_REPLY_B, FREEMAIL_FROM,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=4.0.0 Received: from mail18.bigmailbox.com (mail18.bigmailbox.com [209.132.220.49]) by chiba.3jane.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C92DABD4F for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 21:58:14 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from www@localhost) by mail18.bigmailbox.com (8.11.6/8.10.0) id g3Q2wCL14628; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 19:58:12 -0700 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 19:58:12 -0700 Message-Id: <200204260258.g3Q2wCL14628@mail18.bigmailbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.116) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-Ip: [192.207.165.254] From: "Wayne Vovil" To: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Subject: RE: [gentoo-dev] Use of --update: suggestion Sender: gentoo-dev-admin@gentoo.org Errors-To: gentoo-dev-admin@gentoo.org X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.6 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Gentoo Linux developer list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: X-Archives-Salt: 32290739-130f-4994-b15a-38bafa7ba9e2 X-Archives-Hash: a08b62000393fd50346fc699dece7481 I agree with this. However, a certain amount of responsibility must reside with each individual user. I believe that an environment variable or Gentoo specific variable which allowed a user to specify whether they were a "newbie/intermediate/competent/developer/guru" et cetera user. Then the appropriate downloads / compiles would not only be based on the portage tree (I'm a newbie to Gentoo so bear with me); but also by the category of user. The user could then change / override this user value as they progressed in experience. cheers wayne perth, western australia > David Chamberlain gentoo-dev@gentoo.org [gentoo-dev] Use of --update: suggestionReply-To: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org >Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 14:46:17 +0000 > >I have a suggestion which might at least avoid some of the complaints >the libpng issue has generated. The idea might have been mentioned >before, but if so, I think it bears repeating. > >The problem seems to be that many people don't quite understand what >they're getting with Gentoo - in particular, that it's up to them to >decide whether or not to upgrade fully functional software and risk >breaking their system. The ideas about stability levels etc. have some >merit, but it won't fix that basic problem. So, I strongly suggest >modifying the --upgrade command so that it behaves like unmerge - i.e. >it asks the user if they really want to go ahead. --update world >should be forced to act like --pretend, so that the user has to see >what's going to be upgraded, and has to at least click enter once to >set the upgrade in motion. There could be a flag in make.conf that >power users could set to skip all this, but the default would be to ask >for confirmation. The message might be something like this: >======================================= >The following packages will be upgraded by this command: >sys-libs/verydangerouslib >x11-wm/sillywm >Please understand that the latest release of any software package can >contain bugs or compatibility problems that might damage your system; >if you do not have to upgrade, you might want to reconsider. You can >always upgrade individual packages to a trusted version by using a >command like "emerge >/usr/portage/x11-base/xfree/xfree-4.1.0-r6.ebuild". >SO: are you sure you want to proceed? [Y n]" >======================================== > >_______________________________________________ >gentoo-dev mailing list >gentoo-dev@gentoo.org >http://lists.gentoo.org/mailman/listinfo/gentoo-dev ------------------------------------------------------------ FREE EMAIL for all from AUSI at http://ausi.com Access world wide. AUSI at http://ausi.com is #1 for World Wide News, SPORTS, Business & Travel. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Express yourself with a super cool email address from BigMailBox.com. Hundreds of choices. It's free! http://www.bigmailbox.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------