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* [gentoo-dev] Gnunet and Gentoo
@ 2002-04-09 21:17 Vik Olliver
  2002-04-09 21:46 ` Jared H. Hudson
  2002-04-10 17:28 ` Chuck Haines
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 8+ messages in thread
From: Vik Olliver @ 2002-04-09 21:17 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-dev

Now that Gnunet has settled down:

http://gecko.cs.purdue.edu/gnet/

Might it be possible to use Gnunet to distribute the source tarballs
among Gentoo installations? 

As most users will tend to have their tarballs stored locally and are
very likely to have a network connection, Gentoo is an ideal
distribution for P2P updating - provided that some trusted GPG signature
(or MD5 at a pinch) can be used to verify the integrity of the source.

Implementing this system frees Gentoo and all its applications from the
burden and expense of having to maintain a central source repository
with high bandwidth, allowing the distribution to grow freely at its own
pace. Fixes will percolate through automatically, software that is
banned in backward parts of the world will come through via untraceable
routes, and the caching will ensure that the file requests are
distributed evenly.

I regret that I am already fully comitted (possibly over-comitted) to
charitable projects already, but I believe this idea should be aired to
those willing and able to implement it.

Regards,

Vik Olliver
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* Re: [gentoo-dev] Gnunet and Gentoo
  2002-04-09 21:17 [gentoo-dev] Gnunet and Gentoo Vik Olliver
@ 2002-04-09 21:46 ` Jared H. Hudson
  2002-04-09 23:21   ` Edward Muller
  2002-04-10 17:28 ` Chuck Haines
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: Jared H. Hudson @ 2002-04-09 21:46 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: Vik Olliver; +Cc: gentoo-dev

This sounds a look a good idea. In fact the MD5 checksums are already a 
part of portage, in the files section of any package directory.

You should be aware though, that the source files and patches that are 
downloaded come first from ftp.ibiblio.org, then from the origanal website 
for that package.

For example, emerge'ing emacs would try ftp.ibiblio.org then gnu.org. The 
only files that come from Gentoo's main site is the packages/misc small files 
like md5 digest, ect. All of this is via rsync or CVS.

So, the only benefit to a P2P system would be for another place besides 
ftp.ibiblio.org, its mirrors, or original site to download from.

-Jared H.

On Wed, 10 Apr 2002, Vik Olliver wrote:

> Now that Gnunet has settled down:
> 
> http://gecko.cs.purdue.edu/gnet/
> 
> Might it be possible to use Gnunet to distribute the source tarballs
> among Gentoo installations? 
> 
> As most users will tend to have their tarballs stored locally and are
> very likely to have a network connection, Gentoo is an ideal
> distribution for P2P updating - provided that some trusted GPG signature
> (or MD5 at a pinch) can be used to verify the integrity of the source.
> 
> Implementing this system frees Gentoo and all its applications from the
> burden and expense of having to maintain a central source repository
> with high bandwidth, allowing the distribution to grow freely at its own
> pace. Fixes will percolate through automatically, software that is
> banned in backward parts of the world will come through via untraceable
> routes, and the caching will ensure that the file requests are
> distributed evenly.
> 
> I regret that I am already fully comitted (possibly over-comitted) to
> charitable projects already, but I believe this idea should be aired to
> those willing and able to implement it.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Vik Olliver
> 

-- 
Using the internet as it was originally intended...
for the further research of pornography and pipebombs.



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* Re: [gentoo-dev] Gnunet and Gentoo
  2002-04-09 21:46 ` Jared H. Hudson
@ 2002-04-09 23:21   ` Edward Muller
  2002-04-12  7:06     ` Vik Olliver
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: Edward Muller @ 2002-04-09 23:21 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-dev; +Cc: Vik Olliver

This is an awesome idea.

Although after a look through the Gnunet website I'm not convinced that
Gnunet would be what we want to use.

I'm going to start playing around with gnunet and freenet and look at
what it would take to integrate emerge with it.... 




On Tue, 2002-04-09 at 17:46, Jared H. Hudson wrote:
> 
> This sounds a look a good idea. In fact the MD5 checksums are already a 
> part of portage, in the files section of any package directory.
> 
> You should be aware though, that the source files and patches that are 
> downloaded come first from ftp.ibiblio.org, then from the origanal website 
> for that package.
> 
> For example, emerge'ing emacs would try ftp.ibiblio.org then gnu.org. The 
> only files that come from Gentoo's main site is the packages/misc small files 
> like md5 digest, ect. All of this is via rsync or CVS.
> 
> So, the only benefit to a P2P system would be for another place besides 
> ftp.ibiblio.org, its mirrors, or original site to download from.
> 
> -Jared H.
> 
> On Wed, 10 Apr 2002, Vik Olliver wrote:
> 
> > Now that Gnunet has settled down:
> > 
> > http://gecko.cs.purdue.edu/gnet/
> > 
> > Might it be possible to use Gnunet to distribute the source tarballs
> > among Gentoo installations? 
> > 
> > As most users will tend to have their tarballs stored locally and are
> > very likely to have a network connection, Gentoo is an ideal
> > distribution for P2P updating - provided that some trusted GPG signature
> > (or MD5 at a pinch) can be used to verify the integrity of the source.
> > 
> > Implementing this system frees Gentoo and all its applications from the
> > burden and expense of having to maintain a central source repository
> > with high bandwidth, allowing the distribution to grow freely at its own
> > pace. Fixes will percolate through automatically, software that is
> > banned in backward parts of the world will come through via untraceable
> > routes, and the caching will ensure that the file requests are
> > distributed evenly.
> > 
> > I regret that I am already fully comitted (possibly over-comitted) to
> > charitable projects already, but I believe this idea should be aired to
> > those willing and able to implement it.
> > 
> > Regards,
> > 
> > Vik Olliver
> > 
> 
> -- 
> Using the internet as it was originally intended...
> for the further research of pornography and pipebombs.
> 
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* Re: [gentoo-dev] Gnunet and Gentoo
  2002-04-10 17:28 ` Chuck Haines
@ 2002-04-10 17:05   ` Edward Muller
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread
From: Edward Muller @ 2002-04-10 17:05 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-dev

There are ways firewall blocks esp. when using ssh and port forwarding.
:-) 

But even if this method was adopted I doubt it would be the 'only'
method, plus it's not even tested yet.

I didn't have time last night to start playing like I had hoped and
ended up having to work instead.

On Wed, 2002-04-10 at 13:28, Chuck Haines wrote:
> I see only one problem with this.  My college blocks all P2P file
> sharing clients are therefore this would prevent me from using Gentoo. 
> This would not make me happy as Gentoo is the best distro I have found
> and I would like to continue using it.
> 
> On Tue, 2002-04-09 at 16:17, Vik Olliver wrote:
> > Now that Gnunet has settled down:
> > 
> > http://gecko.cs.purdue.edu/gnet/
> > 
> > Might it be possible to use Gnunet to distribute the source tarballs
> > among Gentoo installations? 
> > 
> > As most users will tend to have their tarballs stored locally and are
> > very likely to have a network connection, Gentoo is an ideal
> > distribution for P2P updating - provided that some trusted GPG signature
> > (or MD5 at a pinch) can be used to verify the integrity of the source.
> > 
> > Implementing this system frees Gentoo and all its applications from the
> > burden and expense of having to maintain a central source repository
> > with high bandwidth, allowing the distribution to grow freely at its own
> > pace. Fixes will percolate through automatically, software that is
> > banned in backward parts of the world will come through via untraceable
> > routes, and the caching will ensure that the file requests are
> > distributed evenly.
> > 
> > I regret that I am already fully comitted (possibly over-comitted) to
> > charitable projects already, but I believe this idea should be aired to
> > those willing and able to implement it.
> > 
> > Regards,
> > 
> > Vik Olliver
> > -- 
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* Re: [gentoo-dev] Gnunet and Gentoo
  2002-04-09 21:17 [gentoo-dev] Gnunet and Gentoo Vik Olliver
  2002-04-09 21:46 ` Jared H. Hudson
@ 2002-04-10 17:28 ` Chuck Haines
  2002-04-10 17:05   ` Edward Muller
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: Chuck Haines @ 2002-04-10 17:28 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-dev

I see only one problem with this.  My college blocks all P2P file
sharing clients are therefore this would prevent me from using Gentoo. 
This would not make me happy as Gentoo is the best distro I have found
and I would like to continue using it.

On Tue, 2002-04-09 at 16:17, Vik Olliver wrote:
> Now that Gnunet has settled down:
> 
> http://gecko.cs.purdue.edu/gnet/
> 
> Might it be possible to use Gnunet to distribute the source tarballs
> among Gentoo installations? 
> 
> As most users will tend to have their tarballs stored locally and are
> very likely to have a network connection, Gentoo is an ideal
> distribution for P2P updating - provided that some trusted GPG signature
> (or MD5 at a pinch) can be used to verify the integrity of the source.
> 
> Implementing this system frees Gentoo and all its applications from the
> burden and expense of having to maintain a central source repository
> with high bandwidth, allowing the distribution to grow freely at its own
> pace. Fixes will percolate through automatically, software that is
> banned in backward parts of the world will come through via untraceable
> routes, and the caching will ensure that the file requests are
> distributed evenly.
> 
> I regret that I am already fully comitted (possibly over-comitted) to
> charitable projects already, but I believe this idea should be aired to
> those willing and able to implement it.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Vik Olliver
> -- 
> /"\  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  /"\
> \ /   ASCII Ribbon Campaign      One of The Olliver Family      \ /
>  X   - NO HTML/RTF in e-mail     http://olliver.family.gen.nz    X
> / \  - NO MSWord docs in e-mail  Public PGP key available there / \
> _______________________________________________
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* Re: [gentoo-dev] Gnunet and Gentoo
  2002-04-09 23:21   ` Edward Muller
@ 2002-04-12  7:06     ` Vik Olliver
  2002-04-26  3:03       ` Edward Muller
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: Vik Olliver @ 2002-04-12  7:06 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: Edward Muller; +Cc: gentoo-dev

Edward Muller wrote:
> 
> This is an awesome idea.
> 
> Although after a look through the Gnunet website I'm not convinced that
> Gnunet would be what we want to use.
> 
> I'm going to start playing around with gnunet and freenet and look at
> what it would take to integrate emerge with it....

The problem with Freenet is the requirement to have Java running - not
that I'm against Java, you understand, it just makes things more
complicated by adding another language to the mix.

Vik :v)
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* Re: [gentoo-dev] Gnunet and Gentoo
  2002-04-12  7:06     ` Vik Olliver
@ 2002-04-26  3:03       ` Edward Muller
  2002-04-28  7:22         ` Vik Olliver
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: Edward Muller @ 2002-04-26  3:03 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: vik; +Cc: gentoo-dev

I finally spent some time playing with freenet the other day...

And it is definitely not the thing to use as it cannot currently be searched.

Plus I've found network reliability to be sub par.

I also played with gnunet briefly and it seemed to be very very very slow.

I'm not 100% sure that networks like gnunet/freenet are all that good yet.

On Friday 12 April 2002 03:06 am, Vik Olliver wrote:
> Edward Muller wrote:
> > This is an awesome idea.
> >
> > Although after a look through the Gnunet website I'm not convinced that
> > Gnunet would be what we want to use.
> >
> > I'm going to start playing around with gnunet and freenet and look at
> > what it would take to integrate emerge with it....
>
> The problem with Freenet is the requirement to have Java running - not
> that I'm against Java, you understand, it just makes things more
> complicated by adding another language to the mix.
>
> Vik :v)

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* Re: [gentoo-dev] Gnunet and Gentoo
  2002-04-26  3:03       ` Edward Muller
@ 2002-04-28  7:22         ` Vik Olliver
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread
From: Vik Olliver @ 2002-04-28  7:22 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: emuller; +Cc: gentoo-dev

Edward Muller wrote:
> 
> I finally spent some time playing with freenet the other day...
> 
> And it is definitely not the thing to use as it cannot currently be searched.

Righto, scratch that one off the list.

\x18> I also played with gnunet briefly and it seemed to be very very very
slow.
> 
> I'm not 100% sure that networks like gnunet/freenet are all that good yet.

I have a feeling that if Gnunet increases in popularity, it might
increase both the node density and total system bandwidth.

I'm getting concerned that a self-perpetuating Linux distribution might
be necessary. The sooner Linux has this capability, the better for all
of us. It would mean that Congresscritters are going to have an even
harder time killing it off. Sounds kinda paranoid, but then there was
the Dimitri incident...

Vik :v)
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