From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 (2022-12-14) on finch.gentoo.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DMARC_REJECT,FREEMAIL_FROM,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=4.0.0 Received: from web13306.mail.yahoo.com (web13306.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.42]) by chiba.3jane.net (Postfix) with SMTP id D3F1CABD5E for ; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 12:57:58 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <20020419175758.32718.qmail@web13306.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.61.244.109] by web13306.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 10:57:58 PDT Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 10:57:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Gaarde Subject: RE: [gentoo-dev] making %95 of users happy To: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: gentoo-dev-admin@gentoo.org Errors-To: gentoo-dev-admin@gentoo.org X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.6 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Gentoo Linux developer list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: X-Archives-Salt: d958e9df-c444-44a2-8b3b-e5cbab23ad37 X-Archives-Hash: 4fd45f004071a1e30c6b55d7e827136c > Perhaps this will work itself out all by itself. When Gentoo 1.2 is > released and the make.profile is changed to point at the default-1.2 > profile, the bleeding edgers can use that while the more conservative > keep their link to 1.0 Thinking about it, this is probably the ultimate > solution, its just not apparent right now since Gentoo is so young, and > the only available option is to use the 1.0 profile. When there is a > choice, the current version profile will be bleeding edge, while the > previous version will only be updated with major fixes, and will become > the "stable" release. DISCLAIMER: I'm intentionally being rude... it helps convey my message. *smile* I now return you to your regularly scheduled rant. First and foremost, I agree with the person who stated the above %100. Second, And I quote from the paragraph above, "its just not apparent right now since Gentoo is so young, and the only available option is to use the 1.0 profile." Being so young, the documentation, the sence of community, the code (albeit in this case a 1.0 is quite nice. Kudos guys!), everything about the Gentoo product is NOT AS MATURE AS MORE WIDELY DISTRIBUTED DISTRIBUTIONS! What does 7.2 mean to you? Or 8.1? What does 1.1 mean to you? I guess some people just jumped head first into Gentoo without knowing what they were getting into. (The middle of a development cycle... that just never ends.) Now, Consider the previous statement a direct *POKE* at the people I refer to as lusers. Did they read the documentation? Did the read the part about profiles? Did they bother to learn about profiles so they can start fixing problems themselves and submit errors to http://bugs.gentoo.org ?? Do they realize these collections of code known as packages are being written by people NOT DEVELOPING GENTOO (some exceptions may apply)? Do they realize the ebuild scripts, emerge, ebuild, the installer, initscripts, etc are what Gentoo really is? Admittedly profiles aren't as 'slick' as they could be... but some people just need a reality check. [end of luser rant] When you thinking about the 'Subject: ' field of this thread... How many users are capable of being an effective Gentoo user? Who is the Gentoo distributions target audience? Now if you consider the number of people in that target audience vs the number of people who jumped head first into Gentoo without knowing what they were getting into... %95 seems to me to be about the right ratio. Admittedly I'm just guessing. If you want to make those users falling into the middle of a never-ending development cycle due to ignorance, the depenancy issue (aka DLL Hell) must be able to be presented to lusers in a manner that lusers can deal with. Preaching patience to those users will not get them to shut up. [end of developer rant] With all that being said... let the flames begin! ===== --- "To thine own self be true." - Shakespeare __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/