[gentoo-dev] Re: Netscape Packages

[gentoo-dev] Re: Netscape Packages

[Aadi Deshpande]

Why not create a netscape6 portage subdir and migrate up to it when netscape6 is 
ReadyForPrimeTime.

I do agree that it's best to keep N4 around for a lot of reasons and, most likely, Netscape will
release a 6.3 or 6.4 version based on 1.0 and maybe the banks will start changing their minds
around then.  Even at our company, we use N4.7 as a baseline for our web coding because 10% of our
visitors still use it.


BTW, Citibank has never given me problems from Mozilla.  ING, however, is another beat.


Aadi

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Message: 13
From: George Shapovalov <georges@its.caltech.edu>
To: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Netscape Packages
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 13:04:09 -0700
Reply-To: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org

It will become default (by the way ebuilds are processed) if you put new=20
netscape-6 ebuild into the same directory (check net-www, there are quite=
 a=20
few netscape-related dirs there).
However IMHO it would be unwise to block netscape-4 as many people still =
use=20
it (and some may be hesitant to go with netscape-6).
If there are no special reasons, [ebuilds for] different versions of pack=
age=20
can coexist within portage tree. The one having highest version and revis=
ion=20
number is chosen if user does not select version specifically. Sometimes=20
lower versions are installed, but this is the case when that lower versio=
n of=20
package is listed as dependency for something.

George

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Netscape Packages

[Jared H. Hudson]

I think mozilla 0.9.9 is what most people build these days on Gentoo.

-Jared H.

On Fri, 12 Apr 2002, John Dee wrote:

> One more question I've got.
> Would you guys be willing to replace netscape 4.x with netscape 6 as the 
> default browser?
> Since netscape 4.x isn't really being maintained anymore (I do builds 
> once a week, blah bleh), and the 6.x line is nscp's main focus, would 
> you guys be willing to make netscape6 the default netscape browser?
> 
> George Shapovalov wrote:
> > If you would like to see Netscape 6 in gentoo and are willing to spend some 
> > time on it, please do contribute by any means.
> > Now to the technical stuff.
> > You do not need to know many details about portage code. What is getting 
> > submitted is a set of build instructions wrapped in a bash script (and as 
> > such, the tarball itself will not help much).
> > Please see:
> > http://www.gentoo.org/doc/gentoo-howto.html
> > for a description on how to create such an ebuild 
> > (bash script (quite often very basic) containing install instructions). You 
> > can also look at ebuilds for other packages.
> > The ebuild and any necessary supplementary files (patches, etc) are to be 
> > submitted to http://bugs.gentoo.org, this page contains an ebuild submission 
> > description:
> > http://www.gentoo.org/doc/ebuild-submit.html.
> > 
> > If you still do not feel like creating an ebuild file (BTW you can always go 
> > to #gentoo channel at irc.openprojects.net to get some real-time ebuild 
> > creation assistance) you can instead submit build instructions and any url 
> > pointers to bugs.gentoo.org as a feature request ( but this will take more 
> > time to process for obvious reasons :)).
> > 
> > George
> > 
> > 
> > On Friday 12 April 2002 11:32, John Dee wrote:
> > 
> >>I was looking at your netscape packages, and was wondering why you guys
> >>weren't using the 6.x series. The reason I ask, is that the 4.x series
> >>probably won't have another release (I'm the *NIX build engineer on the
> >>project).
> >>I'm also one of the build engineers on the 6.x project.
> >>Also, if needed, I could make a 6.x package for you guys. It really
> >>wouldn't take much to do.
> >>The only thing that might be a problem is the fact I don't know portage
> >>yet (I've been using gentoo a total of about 3 days).
> >>I *COULD* supply you guys with a tarball, and instructions, if you want.
> >>
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Netscape Packages

[John Dee]

okay, so what question did that answer?
mozilla != netscape


Jared H. Hudson wrote:
> I think mozilla 0.9.9 is what most people build these days on Gentoo.
> 
> -Jared H.
> 
> On Fri, 12 Apr 2002, John Dee wrote:
> 
> 
>>One more question I've got.
>>Would you guys be willing to replace netscape 4.x with netscape 6 as the 
>>default browser?
>>Since netscape 4.x isn't really being maintained anymore (I do builds 
>>once a week, blah bleh), and the 6.x line is nscp's main focus, would 
>>you guys be willing to make netscape6 the default netscape browser?
>>
>>George Shapovalov wrote:
>>
>>>If you would like to see Netscape 6 in gentoo and are willing to spend some 
>>>time on it, please do contribute by any means.
>>>Now to the technical stuff.
>>>You do not need to know many details about portage code. What is getting 
>>>submitted is a set of build instructions wrapped in a bash script (and as 
>>>such, the tarball itself will not help much).
>>>Please see:
>>>http://www.gentoo.org/doc/gentoo-howto.html
>>>for a description on how to create such an ebuild 
>>>(bash script (quite often very basic) containing install instructions). You 
>>>can also look at ebuilds for other packages.
>>>The ebuild and any necessary supplementary files (patches, etc) are to be 
>>>submitted to http://bugs.gentoo.org, this page contains an ebuild submission 
>>>description:
>>>http://www.gentoo.org/doc/ebuild-submit.html.
>>>
>>>If you still do not feel like creating an ebuild file (BTW you can always go 
>>>to #gentoo channel at irc.openprojects.net to get some real-time ebuild 
>>>creation assistance) you can instead submit build instructions and any url 
>>>pointers to bugs.gentoo.org as a feature request ( but this will take more 
>>>time to process for obvious reasons :)).
>>>
>>>George
>>>
>>>
>>>On Friday 12 April 2002 11:32, John Dee wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>I was looking at your netscape packages, and was wondering why you guys
>>>>weren't using the 6.x series. The reason I ask, is that the 4.x series
>>>>probably won't have another release (I'm the *NIX build engineer on the
>>>>project).
>>>>I'm also one of the build engineers on the 6.x project.
>>>>Also, if needed, I could make a 6.x package for you guys. It really
>>>>wouldn't take much to do.
>>>>The only thing that might be a problem is the fact I don't know portage
>>>>yet (I've been using gentoo a total of about 3 days).
>>>>I *COULD* supply you guys with a tarball, and instructions, if you want.
>>>>
>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>gentoo-dev mailing list
>>>>gentoo-dev@gentoo.org
>>>>http://lists.gentoo.org/mailman/listinfo/gentoo-dev
>>>
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>gentoo-dev mailing list
>>>gentoo-dev@gentoo.org
>>>http://lists.gentoo.org/mailman/listinfo/gentoo-dev
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>gentoo-dev mailing list
>>gentoo-dev@gentoo.org
>>http://lists.gentoo.org/mailman/listinfo/gentoo-dev
>>
> 
> 

Re: [gentoo-dev] Netscape Packages

[Jim Nutt]

On Fri, 12 Apr 2002 12:34:28 -0700
antitux@netscape.com (John Dee) wrote:

> okay, so what question did that answer?
> mozilla != netscape

Only that most people don't install netscape at all. Mozilla is the default, not netscape. I know that I haven't installed netscape on a system in at least six months as mozilla has been more than adequate to replace it.

jim

Re: [gentoo-dev] Netscape Packages

[Thilo Bangert]

On Fri, 12 Apr 2002 12:42:21 -0700
Jim Nutt <jim@nuttz.org> wrote:

> On Fri, 12 Apr 2002 12:34:28 -0700
> antitux@netscape.com (John Dee) wrote:
> 
> > okay, so what question did that answer?
> > mozilla != netscape
> 
> Only that most people don't install netscape at all. Mozilla is the
> default, not netscape. I know that I haven't installed netscape on a
> system in at least six months as mozilla has been more than adequate
> to replace it.

huh - am i awaking from a dream?
i thought this is what portage is all about - there is no default.

gees, all users even have to decide what system logger they'll use -
i'm pretty confident they can figure out this one too

now, _my_ default browser would be konqueror...

i have nothing against a ns6 ebuild (why would i) - but talking 
about "default" in this contenxt seems superflous...

please correct me if i am mistaken

> 
> jim

regards
Thilo

Re: [gentoo-dev] Netscape Packages

[John Dee]

WHOA!!
okay, we're going off on a tangent here.
I don't want to make netscape 6 the DEFAULT BROWSER,
I want to make netscpae 6.2.2 the DEFAULT BROWSER FOR NETSCAPE PRODUCTS.
hence, if you did `emerge netscape`, or `emerge netscape-browser` it'd 
install netscape 6.2.2.

I've talked to jnelson on irc.
We pretty much came to the same conclusion that it's not that bad of an 
idea, and extremely possible.
What would happen, is that netscape communicator 4.x would have the 
binary renamed netscape-communicator
while netscape navigator 4.x would be renamed netscape-navigator
then when you typed `netscape`, the browser that came up would be 
netscape 6.2.2.
The only problem is the installer. It's evil. There's really no way to 
work around it though.
about the only thing you can pull out and install manually (non-gui) is 
the JRE.
I by no means want to replace konqueror, or mozilla, or galeon, or light 
(my personal favorite browser).
is this clearer?

Quite frankly, I don't care what browser you use. I wish there were a 
hundred browsers out there, and they were all standards compliant. 
Unfortunately, in the real world, that's not gonna happen.


Thilo Bangert wrote:

(*SNIP*)
> huh - am i awaking from a dream?
> i thought this is what portage is all about - there is no default.
> 
> gees, all users even have to decide what system logger they'll use -
> i'm pretty confident they can figure out this one too
> 
> now, _my_ default browser would be konqueror...
> 
> i have nothing against a ns6 ebuild (why would i) - but talking 
> about "default" in this contenxt seems superflous...
> 
> please correct me if i am mistaken
> 
> 
>>jim
> 
> 
> regards
> Thilo
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[gentoo-dev] Re: Netscape Packages

[Paul]

John Dee <antitux@netscape.com>, on Fri Apr 12, 2002 [01:25:58 PM] said:
> WHOA!!
> okay, we're going off on a tangent here.
> I don't want to make netscape 6 the DEFAULT BROWSER,
> I want to make netscpae 6.2.2 the DEFAULT BROWSER FOR NETSCAPE PRODUCTS.
> hence, if you did `emerge netscape`, or `emerge netscape-browser` it'd 
> install netscape 6.2.2.
> 
> I've talked to jnelson on irc.
> We pretty much came to the same conclusion that it's not that bad of an 
> idea, and extremely possible.
> What would happen, is that netscape communicator 4.x would have the 
> binary renamed netscape-communicator
> while netscape navigator 4.x would be renamed netscape-navigator
> then when you typed `netscape`, the browser that came up would be 
> netscape 6.2.2.

	Hi;

	Netscape 4 is really an entirely differnt beast than
netscape 6, no? The net-www/navigator and net-www/netscape
targets should remain, but if a netscape 6 ebuild is made,
it should be in 'netscape-6' and/or 'navigator-6'.
	I bet you would like to have it the other way around,
but I think the 'classic' netscape should be the 'default'
for now.
	Of course, having netscape-4 and netscape-6 is
also acceptable. Make  'netscape' a symlink to the one thats
most reasonably the 'real' netscape.

> The only problem is the installer. It's evil. There's really no way to 
> work around it though.
> about the only thing you can pull out and install manually (non-gui) is 
> the JRE.

	I think in a later post, you reverse this opinion?
Spider isnt clear on this either. (Is this why the version of
navigator is *4.08* instead of 4.7x ?)
	As far as the gui installer goes, is there a
click-through license agreement? I dont think the ebuild system
allows you do stuff before downloading the target... but that
would be the best place to be confronted with an accept or
not prompt.

Paul
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