Re: [gentoo-dev] NAT iptables info

[Collins Richey <erichey2@home.com>]

On Wed, 3 Oct 2001 12:51:07 -0700 Michael M Nazaroff
<naz@themoonsofjupiter.et> wrote:

> On Wednesday 03 October 2001 12:34 pm, you wrote:
> Just to let everyone know I completely agree with Donny on
> this...Gentoo 
> should be power house not dumbed down.
> 
> > Nope. Sorry. Im not in agreement in this at all. Of course, its
> open to
> > debate, Im not saying I know everything, nor Im 100% right. Go
> ahead,
> > debate away. But I dont want any part of it, Ill tell you that!
> >
> > If you dont understand the ramnifications of packet filetering,
> NAT, etc
> > then you have *no* business running this software. We are not
> Microsoft or
> > Wingate, opening yuor machine to a wider world.
> >
> > What if somebodys iptables script is made into an ebuild, and said
> script
> > turns out to be flawed, perhaps seriously? Then its "hey, yeah
> those guys
> > at gentoo have a firewall setup like swiss cheese.". What
> interfaces are
> > yuo going to configure this ebuild for? eth0 and eth1? how about
> ppp? maybe
> > an isdn interface? How do yuo choose? Im going to say this again,
> it is
> > %100 configuration. This is *not* the domain of a package. It is
> the domain
> > of a system administrator. This is 1 file we're talking about here
> people,
> > not a series of docs, scripts, config files. *most* of them
> anyway. There
> > *are* some that come with external configs. But thats all beside
> the point.
> > The script needs to be edited. This whole thing started because we
> > basically had a post to the devel list of the flavour: "I need an
> iptables
> > HOWTO".
> >
> > What are you going to do about the kernel modules? Did you know
> that
> > the netfilter modules are built at the kernel level? How are you
> going to
> > DEPEND on that?
> >
> > This is bad policy. A distribution should *not* be dictating
> *policy*. To
> > not understand that is a big mistake. Listen, Redhat and Mandrake
> are
> > the kinds of distros doing this stuff! Making Linux into a 1-click
> affair.
> > This is not our primary intention. Not at this stage anyway!
> >
> > So feel free to debate it all you want, I wont be having *any*
> part in it
> > Ill tell you that!
> >

Yep, I agree too.  This really needs to be
documentation-documentation-documentation.  There should be HOWTOs
tailored to the gentoo way for most of the things everyone would like
to do.

-- 
Collins Richey
Denver Area
gentoo_rc6 xfce+sylpheed