From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 (2022-12-14) on finch.gentoo.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_PAST_12_24,DMARC_NONE, INVALID_DATE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,NICE_REPLY_A autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=4.0.0 Received: from femail3.sdc1.sfba.home.com ([24.0.95.83]) by cvs.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 3.30 #1) id 15kp57-0006E8-00 for gentoo-dev@cvs.gentoo.org; Sat, 22 Sep 2001 09:52:41 -0600 Received: from g2r61.home.com ([24.255.149.198]) by femail3.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20010922155150.ITEH28667.femail3.sdc1.sfba.home.com@g2r61.home.com> for ; Sat, 22 Sep 2001 08:51:50 -0700 From: Collins Richey To: gentoo-dev@cvs.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Issues with mplayer-0.18pre ebuild Message-Id: <20010922100414.1d6cf933.erichey2@home.com> In-Reply-To: <20010922164632.A32499@prosalg.no> References: <20010920232705.B5179@prosalg.no> <1001025350.18011.33.camel@nosferatu.lan> <20010922121757.A29946@prosalg.no> <1001154668.29411.37.camel@zoidberg> <20010922164632.A32499@prosalg.no> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.5.2 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i586-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: gentoo-dev-admin@cvs.gentoo.org Errors-To: gentoo-dev-admin@cvs.gentoo.org X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@cvs.gentoo.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: gentoo-dev@cvs.gentoo.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Gentoo Linux development list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat Sep 22 09:53:02 2001 X-Original-Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 10:04:14 -0600 X-Archives-Salt: 56f0ad49-4ff8-445d-8684-2e88f83c0175 X-Archives-Hash: bef194c5ef480109c9195971a539f512 On Sat, 22 Sep 2001 16:46:32 +0200 Karl Trygve Kalleberg wrote: > On Sat, Sep 22, 2001 at 12:31:08PM +0200, Mikael Hallendal wrote: > > > This depends on what userbase we have/want to have. Most packages > you > > install you want to check the config before you are using them. So > I > > don't think we have to mention everytime there are a > configure-file > > available in a package. > > > > Most of our current users are advanced Linux users and doesn't > need to > > be told about the possibility to configure packages. > > I'm not advocating "dumbing down" our users; but I do think it only > fair > to make a notice to the user that "this package does, contrary to > what one > would expect, does not work without manual configuration". > > I find it repulsive that I have to manually configure my video > player to > get it to run at all. I have not problems accepting that I will have > to > manually tweak it to obtain optimal performance. But the point of > using a > distro (any kind of distro) in the first place was to avoid doing > all the > strictly unnecessary details. I would expect the packagers to set up > reasonable defaults in the configuration files, whenever that is > possible. > > In this specific case, it seems to be very possible, since what I > did to > get mplayer to run was simply unpack the codecs.conf.gz file into > .mplayer/codecs.conf of the user that should run mplayer, and it all > worked okay. > I would have to agree whole-heartedly. I do not believe that gentoo have undertaken all the effort required to setup this wonderful distro with the intent of having it remain a distro that can only be installed by senior linux administrators and gurus. It would require relatively little effort to to add a post-install configuration document to any package under the emerge/ebuild system that requires manual configuration. Initially this could be just a link to the appropriate authoritative documentation for the package, but eventually the documentation should include instructions that can be easily understood by most users. -- Collins Richey Denver Area gentoo_rc6 xfce+sylpheed