From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 (2022-12-14) on finch.gentoo.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.2 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_PAST_12_24, DMARC_MISSING,INVALID_DATE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=4.0.0 Received: from tadpol.dsl.visi.com ([208.42.95.172] helo=sunspot.tilstra.com) by cvs.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 3.30 #1) id 15RIXh-0002Nr-00 for gentoo-dev@cvs.gentoo.org; Mon, 30 Jul 2001 13:17:29 -0600 Received: from tadpol by sunspot.tilstra.com with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 15RIXI-0002KB-00; Mon, 30 Jul 2001 14:17:04 -0500 From: tadpol@tadpol.org To: gentoo-dev@cvs.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion for User Feedback Message-ID: <20010730141703.B8819@tadpol.org> References: <01073019401901.00612@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <01073019401901.00612@localhost>; from danarmak@gentoo.org on Mon, Jul 30, 2001 at 07:40:19PM +0300 X-Face: #SH"AGfFc8u[OW5Rp;V;WNnT X-Copyright: 2001 by Michael Conrad Tilstra X-URL: Sender: gentoo-dev-admin@cvs.gentoo.org Errors-To: gentoo-dev-admin@cvs.gentoo.org X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@cvs.gentoo.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: gentoo-dev@cvs.gentoo.org X-Reply-To: tadpol@gentoo.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Gentoo Linux development list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon Jul 30 13:18:01 2001 X-Original-Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 14:17:03 -0500 X-Archives-Salt: c67ef328-2647-4bbd-b3bc-f7dc785c008c X-Archives-Hash: 462178c236b2e4eea9bc2301e50a9f72 On Mon, Jul 30, 2001 at 07:40:19PM +0300, Dan Armak wrote: > Just an idea: what if users (those who agree, of course), when doing emerge > rsync, transmit to the gentoo server anonymous info on which packages they > have installed? If not, maybe at least the developers? > > The rationale: I have twice now faced a problem where a complex ebuild I > built and commited quite some time ago wasn't functioning. And I said to > myself, this is a very important program who's ebuild isn't working! If this > was a generic problem I would be flooded with emails from the other people > who use it! And I wanted to find these other people who used it, but there > were none among the gentoo developers, and I couldn't contact any of the > users. This is confusing. What I read (and probably not what you ment to say) is that when ppl try to use an ebuild that doesn't work, they will not tell us about it? > This way, we'll know what ebuilds are *known* to work properly - at least > under some h/w configurations - and most importantly, in what combinations > and revisions. And it will give the users a painless way to help us. Many people find it quite painful to share details about their systems. They tend to exagerate it into all kinds of personal invasion. Even when there are perfectly good arguments that it is not. In something like this, what people think it is has more weight than what it really is. > Finally, we'll also know what packages are most often used, in what > combinations, and thus (as far as we work for our users) what areas to > concentrate upon. > > What do you think? Other than my automatic rejection to collecting info, Someone wil have to spend a good deal of time building the collection system. And right now I think energy could be better spent elsewhere. I can see how the information would be useful. And I would suggest a script that users can run, view the collected infomation, and upload somewhere over anything automatic. By putting the details into the hands of the users, and letting them see exactly what they are going to send (they wouldn't have to look at the contents, but we should give them the chance) before they send it, people will likey be more comfortable about sharing the info. I imagin I just really confused things.... -- Michael Tilstra tadpol@tadpol.org As a computer, I find your faith in technology amusing.