[gentoo-dev] feature request for X ebuild

[gentoo-dev] feature request for X ebuild

[Taras Glek]

Hi,
X has several drivers that are not perfect and some just dont work on stuff
like my laptop. However there are third party projects that come up with
superior drivers and for some reason release them outside the tree. In
particual the gatos ati drivers and the savage drivers are what I'm interested
in.
Could you added an option to the X ebuild, something like USE="gatos" or
USA=savage so it downloads and compiles with alternate drivers.

http://www.probo.com/timr/savage40.html   <--savage driver
http://www.linuxvideo.org/gatos/  <-- i belive the updated ati driver lives
there...the url isnt working for me at the moment


Currently I have a laptop with a savage chipset that simply doesnt work with
the defualt X so I'm stuff in mandrake until I compile gentoo with the savage
driver.. The updated ati driver adds stuff like Xv support and possibly other
things, its a must for being able to view videos on ati mobility cards.


Taras,
Hope the above makes sense..and this laptop gets hot when compiling gentoo :)

Re: [gentoo-dev] feature request for X ebuild

[Daniel Robbins]

On Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 12:44:55PM -0700, Taras Glek wrote:
> Hi,
> X has several drivers that are not perfect and some just dont work on stuff
> like my laptop. However there are third party projects that come up with
> superior drivers and for some reason release them outside the tree. In
> particual the gatos ati drivers and the savage drivers are what I'm interested
> in.
> Could you added an option to the X ebuild, something like USE="gatos" or
> USA=savage so it downloads and compiles with alternate drivers.
> 
> http://www.probo.com/timr/savage40.html   <--savage driver
> http://www.linuxvideo.org/gatos/  <-- i belive the updated ati driver lives
> there...the url isnt working for me at the moment

This is a good idea; any takers who want to work on a new version of the xfree
ebuild?

Best Regards,

-- 
Daniel Robbins					<drobbins@gentoo.org>
President/CEO					http://www.gentoo.org 
Gentoo Technologies, Inc.			

Re: [gentoo-dev] feature request for X ebuild

[Dan Armak]

On Friday 13 July 2001 23:07, you wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 12:44:55PM -0700, Taras Glek wrote:
> > Hi,
> > X has several drivers that are not perfect and some just dont work on
> > stuff like my laptop. However there are third party projects that come up
> > with superior drivers and for some reason release them outside the tree.
> > In particual the gatos ati drivers and the savage drivers are what I'm
> > interested in.
> > Could you added an option to the X ebuild, something like USE="gatos" or
> > USA=savage so it downloads and compiles with alternate drivers.
> >
> > http://www.probo.com/timr/savage40.html   <--savage driver
> > http://www.linuxvideo.org/gatos/  <-- i belive the updated ati driver
> > lives there...the url isnt working for me at the moment
>
> This is a good idea; any takers who want to work on a new version of the
> xfree ebuild?
>
> Best Regards,

BTW: we might finally incorporate the nvidia drivers as well.

Dan Armak

Re: [gentoo-dev] feature request for X ebuild

[Daniel Robbins]

On Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 11:12:17PM +0300, Dan Armak wrote:

> > This is a good idea; any takers who want to work on a new version of the
> > xfree ebuild?
> >
> > Best Regards,
> 
> BTW: we might finally incorporate the nvidia drivers as well.

Well, I don't want to add the nvidia drivers to the xfree ebuild, since they
don't require the xfree sources to build.  We should only add things to the main
xfree build if they really need the xfree sources to compile; otherwise, it's
more efficient to add them as a separate package.

Best Regards,

-- 
Daniel Robbins					<drobbins@gentoo.org>
President/CEO					http://www.gentoo.org 
Gentoo Technologies, Inc.			

Re: [gentoo-dev] feature request for X ebuild

[Dan Armak]

On Friday 13 July 2001 23:14, you wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 11:12:17PM +0300, Dan Armak wrote:
> > > This is a good idea; any takers who want to work on a new version of
> > > the xfree ebuild?
> > >
> > > Best Regards,
> >
> > BTW: we might finally incorporate the nvidia drivers as well.
>
> Well, I don't want to add the nvidia drivers to the xfree ebuild, since
> they don't require the xfree sources to build.  We should only add things
> to the main xfree build if they really need the xfree sources to compile;
> otherwise, it's more efficient to add them as a separate package.

Of course. But then, do these ati/savage drivers really need the X sources? 
(i.e. not just the installable headers). In any case, if we have USE flags 
for ATI/savage as suggested in the orig. post, we might as well have one for 
nvidia.

BTW: what's the policy for creating new USE keywords? There's an awful lot 
already, and it seems we might create one for every second package. There are 
always package interdependencies. LyX can make use of some 20 packages, but 
that's no reason for having a USE keyword for each of them! Maybe we should 
have a setting "USE_ALL" that would always build all possible dependencies of 
which a package can make use. This could be useful for testing etc.

Dan Armak

Re: [gentoo-dev] feature request for X ebuild

[Ben Lutgens]

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On Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 11:31:47PM +0300, Dan Armak wrote:
>have a setting "USE_ALL" that would always build all possible dependencies of 
God help us! NO! what a monstrous thing to undertake! Can you imagine
making a kernel compile with all those conflicting drivers and patches!!!
It'd be a nightmare. Or building some app that can use GTK or QT compile
with both (not sure if there are any, that would be stupid) but you get
my point.




-- 
Ben Lutgens		
Sistina Software Inc.	
Kernel panic: I have no root and I want to scream

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Re: [gentoo-dev] feature request for X ebuild

[Dan Armak]

On Friday 13 July 2001 23:47, you wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 11:31:47PM +0300, Dan Armak wrote:
> >have a setting "USE_ALL" that would always build all possible dependencies
> > of
>
> God help us! NO! what a monstrous thing to undertake! Can you imagine
> making a kernel compile with all those conflicting drivers and patches!!!
> It'd be a nightmare. Or building some app that can use GTK or QT compile
> with both (not sure if there are any, that would be stupid) but you get
> my point.

OK, OK! But I still think we need to organize our USE flags.

Dan Armak

Re: [gentoo-dev] feature request for X ebuild

[Daniel Robbins]

On Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 11:31:47PM +0300, Dan Armak wrote:

> BTW: what's the policy for creating new USE keywords? There's an awful lot 
> already, and it seems we might create one for every second package. There are 
> always package interdependencies. LyX can make use of some 20 packages, but 
> that's no reason for having a USE keyword for each of them! Maybe we should 
> have a setting "USE_ALL" that would always build all possible dependencies of 
> which a package can make use. This could be useful for testing etc.

USE flags are generally for *optional* build-time functionality.  We will have
a new USE system in a week or two to help deal with additional complexity:

USE="X(nvidia,ati) cpu(mmx,sse) db(postgresql,mysql)"

Additionally, we will support things like this:

"X(*)" (to enable all X-related extensions)

Best Regards,

-- 
Daniel Robbins					<drobbins@gentoo.org>
President/CEO					http://www.gentoo.org 
Gentoo Technologies, Inc.