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[gentoo-dev] [ANNOUNCE] eclectic-0.9.1

[Danny van Dyk]

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About eclectic
- --------------

During the last few months, ciaranm, ka0ttic, slarti and me have been
working on "eclectic" [1], a modular administration and configuration
framework for Gentoo. Eclectic is completely written in bash and unifies
different tasks in one tool with a consistent user interfaces. Up to
now, eclectic can handle mulitple tasks using the following modules:

 * bashcomp:
   Configure and list bash completetions, thus obsoletes
   app-shells/bash-completion-config.

 * blas,lapack:
   Switch between implementations of virtual/{blas,lapack}.
   This obsoletes sci-libs/{blas,lapack}-config (which are bogus).

 * profile:
   List and switch Gentoo portage profiles. Check if selected
   profile is valid in regard to used "ARCH".

 * mailer:
   Manage the mailwrapper profiles in /etc/mail.

 * kernel:
   Manage the /usr/src/linux symlink.

Work on further modules is in progress like:

 * vi:
   Manage the upcoming vi symlink for parallel installs of vi clones.
   (vi, nvi, vim, gvim)

 * icu and ilasm:
   Manage the different free implementation of .NET.

Eclectic has a library concept for shared function. It features common
code for configuration, output and multilib handling.

There is a both a developer guide and a user guide as RST shipped with
the source.

Currently, eclectic's source[2] is hosted at berlios.de due to our decission
to use Subversion as SCM. As soon as GLEP 36[3] has been implemented, we
would like to move to a Gentoo repository.

Questions
- ---------

 * What do we need to accomplish to get the status of an "Official
   Gentoo Project" ? Is a manager voting necessary ?

 * What do the maintainers of Gentoo's various -config and -update
   scripts think about converting their scripts into eclectic modules ?

 * What is the best place for eclectic in the portage tree? app-admin as
   it is an administrative tool? Or rather app-portage as it should be
   used together with Gentoo only?

Danny

[1] http://developer.berlios.de/projects/eclectic
[2] http://download.berlios.de/eclectic/eclectic-0.9.1.tar.bz2
[3] http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/glep/glep-0036.html

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Re: [gentoo-dev] [ANNOUNCE] eclectic-0.9.1, [gentoo-dev]

[Marius Mauch]

Danny van Dyk wrote:
>  * profile:
>    List and switch Gentoo portage profiles. Check if selected
>    profile is valid in regard to used "ARCH".

Hmm, have to check this out and see if I can obsolete my own little hack 
for changing profile.

>  * What do we need to accomplish to get the status of an "Official
>    Gentoo Project" ? Is a manager voting necessary ?

Just put it as a subproject under base as it doesn't have the substance 
for a TLP, and I don't think azarah would mind it ;)

>  * What do the maintainers of Gentoo's various -config and -update
>    scripts think about converting their scripts into eclectic modules ?

Neither etc-update nor env-update fall into this domain.

>  * What is the best place for eclectic in the portage tree? app-admin as
>    it is an administrative tool? Or rather app-portage as it should be
>    used together with Gentoo only?

Keep it in app-admin as it isn't really portage related.

Nice to finally see this becoming public.

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Re: [gentoo-dev]

[Aaron Walker]

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Marius Mauch wrote:
> Danny van Dyk wrote:
> 
>>  * profile:
>>    List and switch Gentoo portage profiles. Check if selected
>>    profile is valid in regard to used "ARCH".
> 
> 
> Hmm, have to check this out and see if I can obsolete my own little hack
> for changing profile.

Wasn't available in 0.9.1 but is in 0.9.2.  It currently only shows one
possible valid profile though since of course profiles.desc only shows one per
arch.

Judging by some gentoo-commits.log sed/sort/grep -c-foo there's still quite a
few ppl using 2.0.51.19 so looks like we'll have to wait a little bit before we
can update profiles.desc.

Cheers
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Aaron Walker <ka0ttic@gentoo.org>
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[gentoo-dev] New category proposal

[Alin Nastac]

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Hi folks,

I think we should make a new category called app-cellphone containing
the following packages:
  net-dialup/gammu
  net-dialup/gnokii
  net-dialup/wammu
  net-wireless/gnome-phone-manager

Yes, I know. It is a short list, but shouldn't be a category
representative for its content?

Alin


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[gentoo-dev] Re: New category proposal

[R Hill]

Alin Nastac wrote:
> Hi folks,
> 
> I think we should make a new category called app-cellphone containing
> the following packages:
>   net-dialup/gammu
>   net-dialup/gnokii
>   net-dialup/wammu
>   net-wireless/gnome-phone-manager
> 
> Yes, I know. It is a short list, but shouldn't be a category
> representative for its content?

net-wireless/obexftp
net-misc/sms
net-misc/linuxsms
net-misc/ksms
net-misc/gsmlib
net-misc/esms
media-sound/bemused
media-plugins/xmms-btexmms
kde-misc/kmobiletools	}
kde-base/kandy		} these could probably stay in kde
app-pda/x70talk
app-pda/bitpim
app-misc/ringtonetools

this doesn't include anything like VOIP of course.  btw i think 
"cellphone" is an Americanism.  i worked for AT&T Wireless before they 
were bought by Cingular and the term "cellphone" was discouraged for 
that reason.  maybe just app-phone?

--de.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: New category proposal, [gentoo-dev]

[Alin Nastac]

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R Hill wrote:

>
>
> this doesn't include anything like VOIP of course.  btw i think
> "cellphone" is an Americanism.  i worked for AT&T Wireless before they
> were bought by Cingular and the term "cellphone" was discouraged for
> that reason.  maybe just app-phone?

hmm... I think it should include "cell" or "mobile" in one way or the
other - "phone" is just too generic.
I am not a native English speaker (duh, what a surprise :)), so I'm open
to suggestions.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: New category proposal, [gentoo-dev]

[Mike Frysinger]

On Sunday 08 May 2005 04:46 pm, Alin Nastac wrote:
> R Hill wrote:
> > this doesn't include anything like VOIP of course.  btw i think
> > "cellphone" is an Americanism.  i worked for AT&T Wireless before they
> > were bought by Cingular and the term "cellphone" was discouraged for
> > that reason.  maybe just app-phone?
>
> hmm... I think it should include "cell" or "mobile" in one way or the
> other - "phone" is just too generic.

app-mobile sounds good to me ... then just use metadata.xml to include a 
'fuller' description :P
-mike
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Re: [gentoo-dev]

[Henrik Brix Andersen]

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On Sun, 2005-05-08 at 19:53 -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote:
> app-mobile sounds good to me ... then just use metadata.xml to include a 
> 'fuller' description :P

Please don't use app-mobile as it may be confused with mobile computing,
not mobile phones.

Any reason why these packages can not go into app-pda? Most modern
mobile phones can be considered a handheld computer (and many of them
can be thought of as either a phone with integrated PDA - or a PDA with
integrated phone).

Sincerely,
Brix
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Re: [gentoo-dev]

[Alin Nastac]

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Henrik Brix Andersen wrote:

>On Sun, 2005-05-08 at 19:53 -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote:
>  
>
>>app-mobile sounds good to me ... then just use metadata.xml to include a 
>>'fuller' description :P
>>    
>>
>
>Please don't use app-mobile as it may be confused with mobile computing,
>not mobile phones.
>
>Any reason why these packages can not go into app-pda? Most modern
>mobile phones can be considered a handheld computer (and many of them
>can be thought of as either a phone with integrated PDA - or a PDA with
>integrated phone).
>
>
>  
>
I think I will call it app-mobphone.

Please explain what do you understand as "mobile computing". You keep
using this term.
>From what I see in herds.xml, mobile == "Wireless (802.11a/b/g,
bluetooth, etc) related items"

Mobile phones are far from PDAs. I don't see anything you can't do with
a PDA (since it _is_ a computer).
Compared to them, _normal_ mobile phones are very limited devices.


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Re: [gentoo-dev]

[Henrik Brix Andersen]

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On Mon, 2005-05-09 at 16:21 +0300, Alin Nastac wrote:
> Please explain what do you understand as "mobile computing". You keep
> using this term.
> >From what I see in herds.xml, mobile == "Wireless (802.11a/b/g,
> bluetooth, etc) related items"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_computing

> Mobile phones are far from PDAs. I don't see anything you can't do with
> a PDA (since it _is_ a computer).
> Compared to them, _normal_ mobile phones are very limited devices.

My last two mobile phones (Motorola A920 and Motorola E1000) are
symbian-based hand-helds, and they act like a PDA - but I still can't do
the same stuff with my PDA as I can with a PC.

I suggested app-pda because of the metadata.xml description:

        The app-pda category contains software for working with personal
        digital assistants or hand-held computers.

As I've said, I think most modern mobile phones can be considered being
a PDA/hand-held computer.

./Brix
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Re: [gentoo-dev]

[Sami Samhuri]

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* On Mon May-09-2005 at 03:34:36 PM +0200, Henrik Brix Andersen said:
> On Mon, 2005-05-09 at 16:21 +0300, Alin Nastac wrote:
[...]
> > Mobile phones are far from PDAs. I don't see anything you can't do with
> > a PDA (since it _is_ a computer).
> > Compared to them, _normal_ mobile phones are very limited devices.
> 
> My last two mobile phones (Motorola A920 and Motorola E1000) are
> symbian-based hand-helds, and they act like a PDA - but I still can't do
> the same stuff with my PDA as I can with a PC.

I have a symbian phone as well (Nokia 3595, at least I'm pretty sure
Nokia's run symbian) but it does not act like a PDA. Luckily I also have
a PDA (i-Mate PDA2K, aka O2 XDA IIs, MDA III, and so on...) which acts
as a phone. Needless to say these devices are far from similar.

> I suggested app-pda because of the metadata.xml description:
> 
>         The app-pda category contains software for working with personal
>         digital assistants or hand-held computers.
> 
> As I've said, I think most modern mobile phones can be considered being
> a PDA/hand-held computer.

The latest and greatest phones can almost be considered PDAs, I agree.
But they are not the norm yet. I mean, my phone can run Java
applications and has GPRS but that's about as far as it goes. My PDA,
well it has everything from BlueTooth and 802.11b to GPRS, GSM (850,
900, 1800, 1900) as well as an internal 128M flash memory and a 512M SD
card in the expansion slot. It even has a slide-out keyboard.  This
thing is more powerful than most PCs 10 years ago. They are converging,
but PDAs are advancing at an astonishing rate since they're geared
towards power users and geeks. Phones aren't moving as fast since for
the average person they just want a phone that makes and receives calls.
Does the average person use Gentoo? Probably not, but I still think they
are very different beasts for now and should be kept separate.

I am aware that mobile phones outside of North America are much more
advanced (in general) so perhaps this is the cause of this little
disagreement. I don't have a really strong opinion either way, but I
thought I'd throw in my user's perspective.

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On Fri, 14 Jul 2006 00:19:44 +0200
Jakub Moc <jakub@gentoo.org> wrote:

> Ser Gio wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > Why does x11-libs/gtk+-2.8.19 has the "X" useflag? The ebuild
> > doesn't look like it's using it.
> >
> > thanks,
> > Sérgio
>
> Because virtualx.eclass has it in IUSE and the ebuild inherits it.

Yes, i noticed that. But, for the enduser, the X flag in gtk+ is useless
right? So, is it a bug?

Regards,
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Re: [gentoo-dev]

[Jakub Moc]

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Ser Gio wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Jul 2006 00:19:44 +0200
> Jakub Moc <jakub@gentoo.org <mailto:jakub@gentoo.org>> wrote:
> 
>> Ser Gio wrote:
>> > Hello,
>> >
>> > Why does x11-libs/gtk+-2.8.19 has the "X" useflag? The ebuild
>> > doesn't look like it's using it.
>> >
>> > thanks,
>> > Sérgio
>>
>> Because virtualx.eclass has it in IUSE and the ebuild inherits it.
> 
> Yes, i noticed that. 

So, why do you ask?

> But, for the enduser, the X flag in gtk+ is useless right? So, is it a bug?

No, it's not gtk+ ebuild bug. Feel free to submit portage patch to avoid
this. ;)


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Re: [gentoo-dev]

[Steev Klimaszewski]

On Fri, 2006-07-14 at 01:02 +0100, Ser Gio wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Jul 2006 00:19:44 +0200
> Jakub Moc <jakub@gentoo.org> wrote:
> 
> > Ser Gio wrote:
> > > Hello,
> > > 
> > > Why does x11-libs/gtk+-2.8.19 has the "X" useflag? The ebuild 
> > > doesn't look like it's using it.
> > > 
> > > thanks,
> > > Sérgio
> > 
> > Because virtualx.eclass has it in IUSE and the ebuild inherits it.
> 
> Yes, i noticed that. But, for the enduser, the X flag in gtk+ is
> useless right? So, is it a bug? 
> 
> Regards,
> Sérgio Martins

Actually, as of 2.10, gtk+ CAN be built without X and using the
framebuffer, so you can build gtk+ apps against the framebuffer (using
them, is another story... although I hear GIMP works)  so having it
there isn't necessarily useless.

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Re: [gentoo-dev]

[Mike Frysinger]

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On Thursday 13 July 2006 20:13, Steev Klimaszewski wrote:
> Actually, as of 2.10, gtk+ CAN be built without X and using the
> framebuffer, so you can build gtk+ apps against the framebuffer (using
> them, is another story... although I hear GIMP works)  so having it
> there isn't necessarily useless.

s/necessarily//
-mike

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Hi, 

glibc 2.9 uses a different way to implement getaddrinfo() which
triggers a race condition in most (if not all) Netfilter
firewalls that use connection tracking. glibc does nothing wrong
per se, it just triggers the condition. (technical details here:
http://marc.info/?l=linux-netdev&m=123304473331445)

Since glibc 2.9 fires off two udp packets (a query for the A
record and one for the AAAA record), a race condition is
triggered in Netfilter (see URL). This has been acknowledged by
several people and I can reproduce it (relatively) reliably in
our LAN with all Gentoo boxes that have 2.9.

Why am I bringing this up here? Well, I figure that eventually,
2.9 (or some other version with equivalent code) will become
stable and we'll get lots of bug reports from people who run into
this. Since they can not simply backdate to 2.7 for various
reasons *and* they might be unable to fix a packetfilter (because
it might not be their own), this might become very ugly.

The Kernel/Netfilter devs (probably) are aware now of the issue
since I mailed them - but it's not all that easy to fix. On top
of that, even if it was fixed in (say) 2.6.28.3 and 2.6.29, this
does not mean that it's deployed out there and it might be very
hard for our users to get some firewall guy to update their
kernel when this is perceived as glibc's or our fault (plus the
widespread "ricer" cliché about Gentoo users; I've gotten an
idiotic reply to that effect already).

I don't have any experience with glibc upstream but pestering
them about this out of the blue might only cause a flame war
between kernel and glibc folks. Thus, I'm asking you, my fellow
devs (and the glibc and kernel teams specifically), what you
think is the best idea/course of action.

Regards,
Tobias
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Re: [gentoo-dev]

[Peter Alfredsen]

[Mike: This looks like your field of expertise]
On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 16:47:50 +0100
Tobias Klausmann <klausman@gentoo.org> wrote:

> Hi, 
> 
> glibc 2.9 uses a different way to implement getaddrinfo() which
> triggers a race condition in most (if not all) Netfilter
> firewalls that use connection tracking. glibc does nothing wrong
> per se, it just triggers the condition. (technical details here:
> http://marc.info/?l=linux-netdev&m=123304473331445)
[...]
> I don't have any experience with glibc upstream but pestering
> them about this out of the blue might only cause a flame war
> between kernel and glibc folks. Thus, I'm asking you, my fellow
> devs (and the glibc and kernel teams specifically), what you
> think is the best idea/course of action.

The connection with IPv6 leads me to believe that this is
http://bugs.gentoo.org/250468
http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=7060

Mike has added a patch to Gentoo's patchset but hasn't bumped the
revision yet. It does look spectacularly hacky, though :-)

Anyway, if this is your problem, it looks like upstream is already
working on it and that we just need to *prod* Mike a bit to get a fix
into the tarball.

/PA

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[Pacho Ramos]

Hi!

We found out that pulseaudio ebuild was modified by QA without QA
talking to the maintainers (gnome team) and without considering/updating
the relevant bugzilla issue at
https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=519530

In that link it's explained a bit more why the ebuild was written in
that way and the problems we try to avoid. We have then hardmasked that
version until it's discussed THERE how to handle that situations.

And would really appreciate that next time we are even notified about a
change is going to be committed and don't need to see it in
packages.gentoo.org (well, in my case I am not all the time on IRC...
but I read the mail often and, also, Gilles and Leio can also be
contacted on IRC. You can also simply send a mail to the alias and give
us at least some days of timeout).

Thanks a lot

Re: [gentoo-dev]

[Anthony G. Basile]

On 12/05/14 05:59, Pacho Ramos wrote:
> Hi!
>
> We found out that pulseaudio ebuild was modified by QA without QA
> talking to the maintainers (gnome team) and without considering/updating
> the relevant bugzilla issue at
> https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=519530
>
> In that link it's explained a bit more why the ebuild was written in
> that way and the problems we try to avoid. We have then hardmasked that
> version until it's discussed THERE how to handle that situations.
>
> And would really appreciate that next time we are even notified about a
> change is going to be committed and don't need to see it in
> packages.gentoo.org (well, in my case I am not all the time on IRC...
> but I read the mail often and, also, Gilles and Leio can also be
> contacted on IRC. You can also simply send a mail to the alias and give
> us at least some days of timeout).
>
> Thanks a lot
>
>

I don't know the policy (I will read the relevant docs later) but its 
seems to me to make good sense that, if it is not an emergency (ie the 
tree is broken), that QA first inform the maintainer in a bug report 
which can then be peer reviewed.  QA can make mistakes (as in this case) 
and that's okay if there is discussion.  If it is an emergency, then I 
would think QA should take the action of least interference to unbreak 
the tree.

Bikeshed time ...

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[Marek Szuba]

With many thanks to ulm for having pointed this out. Not that while this
patch does indeed change the eclass behaviour for the established EAPI 7
rather than for the new EAPI 8, it does so in a way I deem non-intrusive
enough to allow this - the only case where something is actually removed
from DEPEND is when Fortran is only required by tests. Not to mention
that, ahem, there is considerable room for improvement as far as the
uptake of EAPI 7+ among consumers of this eclass is concerned.