[gentoo-dev] new package

[gentoo-dev] new package

[Pete Gavin]

Hi,

I just added x11-wm/AfterStep-1.8.8.

Pete

Re: [gentoo-dev] new package

[Jerry A!]

On Tue, Feb 20, 2001 at 04:18:04PM -0700, Pete Gavin wrote:
: Hi,
: 
: I just added x11-wm/AfterStep-1.8.8.

Okay, one comment.  Could we please standardize on a naming convention.
It's like we translate everything to lowercase for the directory names
with the notable exceptions of the contents of x11-wm/ and one or two
other directories.

Yeah, it's silly and it's small potatoes.  But I think that there is
something to be said for the hobgoblin of this small mind and having
some consistency.

        --Jerry

name:  Jerry Alexandratos         ||  Open-Source software isn't a
phone: 703.599.6023               ||  matter of life or death...
email: jerry@thehutt.org          ||  ...It's much more important
                                  ||  than that!

Re: [gentoo-dev] new package

[Pete Gavin]

On Tue, Feb 20, 2001 at 06:23:03PM -0500, Jerry A! wrote:
> Okay, one comment.  Could we please standardize on a naming convention.
> It's like we translate everything to lowercase for the directory names
> with the notable exceptions of the contents of x11-wm/ and one or two
> other directories.
> 
> Yeah, it's silly and it's small potatoes.  But I think that there is
> something to be said for the hobgoblin of this small mind and having
> some consistency.

Yeah, that's a good idea, actually. I'll do it now before 2 bazillion
people install it :)

Pete

Re: [gentoo-dev] new package

[drobbins]

On Tue, Feb 20, 2001 at 06:23:03PM -0500, Jerry A! wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 20, 2001 at 04:18:04PM -0700, Pete Gavin wrote:
> : Hi,
> : 
> : I just added x11-wm/AfterStep-1.8.8.
> 
> Okay, one comment.  Could we please standardize on a naming convention.
> It's like we translate everything to lowercase for the directory names
> with the notable exceptions of the contents of x11-wm/ and one or two
> other directories.

Sounds good to me.... Mr. Hobgoblin? :)

-- 
Daniel Robbins					<drobbins@gentoo.org>
President/CEO					http://www.gentoo.org 
Gentoo Technologies, Inc.			

Re: [gentoo-dev] new package

[Pete Gavin]

On Tue, Feb 20, 2001 at 06:23:03PM -0500, Jerry A! wrote:
> Okay, one comment.  Could we please standardize on a naming convention.
> It's like we translate everything to lowercase for the directory names
> with the notable exceptions of the contents of x11-wm/ and one or two
> other directories.
> 
> Yeah, it's silly and it's small potatoes.  But I think that there is
> something to be said for the hobgoblin of this small mind and having
> some consistency.

Daniel, maybe you could make portage print out a simple warning
message if the package name contains any uppercase characters? That
way people new to gentoo that make new packages will know the names
should be en all-lowercase.

Pete

Re: [gentoo-dev] new package

[Achim Gottinger]

"Jerry A!" wrote:
> 
> On Tue, Feb 20, 2001 at 04:18:04PM -0700, Pete Gavin wrote:
> : Hi,
> :
> : I just added x11-wm/AfterStep-1.8.8.
> 
> Okay, one comment.  Could we please standardize on a naming convention.
> It's like we translate everything to lowercase for the directory names
> with the notable exceptions of the contents of x11-wm/ and one or two
> other directories.
Hmm dev-perl is another exception. 

achim~


> 
> Yeah, it's silly and it's small potatoes.  But I think that there is
> something to be said for the hobgoblin of this small mind and having
> some consistency.
> 
>         --Jerry
> 
> name:  Jerry Alexandratos         ||  Open-Source software isn't a
> phone: 703.599.6023               ||  matter of life or death...
> email: jerry@thehutt.org          ||  ...It's much more important
>                                   ||  than that!
> 
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Re: [gentoo-dev] new package

[Achim Gottinger]

"Jerry A!" wrote:
> 
> On Tue, Feb 20, 2001 at 04:18:04PM -0700, Pete Gavin wrote:
> : Hi,
> :
> : I just added x11-wm/AfterStep-1.8.8.
> 
> Okay, one comment.  Could we please standardize on a naming convention.
> It's like we translate everything to lowercase for the directory names
> with the notable exceptions of the contents of x11-wm/ and one or two
> other directories.

How wants to rename 52 packages and update the dependencies?

achim~

> 
> Yeah, it's silly and it's small potatoes.  But I think that there is
> something to be said for the hobgoblin of this small mind and having
> some consistency.
> 
>         --Jerry
> 
> name:  Jerry Alexandratos         ||  Open-Source software isn't a
> phone: 703.599.6023               ||  matter of life or death...
> email: jerry@thehutt.org          ||  ...It's much more important
>                                   ||  than that!
> 
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Re: [gentoo-dev] new package

[Jerry A!]

On Thu, Feb 22, 2001 at 05:09:56PM +0100, Achim Gottinger wrote:
: "Jerry A!" wrote:
: > 
: > On Tue, Feb 20, 2001 at 04:18:04PM -0700, Pete Gavin wrote:
: > : Hi,
: > :
: > : I just added x11-wm/AfterStep-1.8.8.
: > 
: > Okay, one comment.  Could we please standardize on a naming convention.
: > It's like we translate everything to lowercase for the directory names
: > with the notable exceptions of the contents of x11-wm/ and one or two
: > other directories.
: 
: How wants to rename 52 packages and update the dependencies?

I'll do it.  I'll just have to be very careful.  I'll probably start
tackling it by the beginning of next week.  And I'll make sure I give a
general alert/heads up.

        --Jerry

name:  Jerry Alexandratos         ||  Open-Source software isn't a
phone: 703.599.6023               ||  matter of life or death...
email: jerry@thehutt.org          ||  ...It's much more important
                                  ||  than that!

Re: [gentoo-dev] new package

[Achim Gottinger]

"Jerry A!" wrote:
> 
> On Thu, Feb 22, 2001 at 05:09:56PM +0100, Achim Gottinger wrote:
> : "Jerry A!" wrote:
> : >
> : > On Tue, Feb 20, 2001 at 04:18:04PM -0700, Pete Gavin wrote:
> : > : Hi,
> : > :
> : > : I just added x11-wm/AfterStep-1.8.8.
> : >
> : > Okay, one comment.  Could we please standardize on a naming convention.
> : > It's like we translate everything to lowercase for the directory names
> : > with the notable exceptions of the contents of x11-wm/ and one or two
> : > other directories.
> :
> : How wants to rename 52 packages and update the dependencies?
> 
> I'll do it.  I'll just have to be very careful.  I'll probably start
> tackling it by the beginning of next week.  And I'll make sure I give a
> general alert/heads up.

The only package that really needs care is ORBit. About 50 packages are
in dev-perl.
I personaly thought that using the sources name as we did it till now
makes more sense since it reduces the typing in the scripts. 
But if you guys are not happy with that change it.

achim~

PS: Jerry have you tested pgcc and is there a package in the tree that I
can use here?

> 
>         --Jerry
> 
> name:  Jerry Alexandratos         ||  Open-Source software isn't a
> phone: 703.599.6023               ||  matter of life or death...
> email: jerry@thehutt.org          ||  ...It's much more important
>                                   ||  than that!
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Re: [gentoo-dev] new package

[drobbins]

On Thu, Feb 22, 2001 at 05:45:45PM +0100, Achim Gottinger wrote:

> The only package that really needs care is ORBit. About 50 packages are in
> dev-perl.  I personaly thought that using the sources name as we did it till
> now makes more sense since it reduces the typing in the scripts.  But if you
> guys are not happy with that change it.

Yes, the reason why we have uppercase is because the original archive name /
source directory also has uppercase.  This means that all the defaults get set
up correctly.  For this reason alone, I think we should allow uppercase
characters in /usr/portage.

Exceptions:
	If we are using uppercase for a package name, and the corresponding archive
	or source directory doesn't use uppercase characters, then this should be 
	fixed so that we're using lowercase.

This helps me to understand why MacOS X added case insensitive file comparison
routines.  Ideally, I'd like the filesystem to preserve the original case but
have:

# cat foo

and

# cat Foo

and

# cat fOo

...cat the same file.

After all, "D" and "d" are both a "d".  I'll see if I can track down a really
interesting message about this that I can forward to the list.

-- 
Daniel Robbins					<drobbins@gentoo.org>
President/CEO					http://www.gentoo.org 
Gentoo Technologies, Inc.			

Re: [gentoo-dev] new package

[Achim Gottinger]

drobbins@gentoo.org wrote:
> 
> On Thu, Feb 22, 2001 at 05:45:45PM +0100, Achim Gottinger wrote:
> 
> > The only package that really needs care is ORBit. About 50 packages are in
> > dev-perl.  I personaly thought that using the sources name as we did it till
> > now makes more sense since it reduces the typing in the scripts.  But if you
> > guys are not happy with that change it.
> 
> Yes, the reason why we have uppercase is because the original archive name /
> source directory also has uppercase.  This means that all the defaults get set
> up correctly.  For this reason alone, I think we should allow uppercase
> characters in /usr/portage.
> 
> Exceptions:
>         If we are using uppercase for a package name, and the corresponding archive
>         or source directory doesn't use uppercase characters, then this should be
>         fixed so that we're using lowercase.
> 
> This helps me to understand why MacOS X added case insensitive file comparison
> routines.  Ideally, I'd like the filesystem to preserve the original case but
> have:
> 
> # cat foo
> 
> and
> 
> # cat Foo
> 
> and
> 
> # cat fOo
> 
> ...cat the same file.
> 
> After all, "D" and "d" are both a "d".  I'll see if I can track down a really
> interesting message about this that I can forward to the list.
> 

Well you should use MacOS X if you want this. :-)

The old MacOS fs was case insensitive, that's why these routines are in
MacOS/X

achim~

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Re: [gentoo-dev] new package

[Jerry A!]

On Thu, Feb 22, 2001 at 05:45:45PM +0100, Achim Gottinger wrote:
: "Jerry A!" wrote:
: > 
: > I'll do it.  I'll just have to be very careful.  I'll probably start
: > tackling it by the beginning of next week.  And I'll make sure I give a
: > general alert/heads up.
: 
: The only package that really needs care is ORBit. About 50 packages are
: in dev-perl.
: I personaly thought that using the sources name as we did it till now
: makes more sense since it reduces the typing in the scripts. 
: But if you guys are not happy with that change it.

Hmm...  Something to consider here.  I was thinking that user
expectations are for things to be consistent.  You know, we could always
try and modify the portage code to ignore case.

Daniel, what do you think of that?

: PS: Jerry have you tested pgcc and is there a package in the tree that I
: can use here?

Sorry, it's still sitting on my machine waiting for some more tests.
I'm one of those people who hates committing anything to a tree before
unless it's more-or-less done.  I'll commit what I have when I get home.

        --Jerry

name:  Jerry Alexandratos         ||  Open-Source software isn't a
phone: 703.599.6023               ||  matter of life or death...
email: jerry@thehutt.org          ||  ...It's much more important
                                  ||  than that!

Re: [gentoo-dev] new package

[Achim Gottinger]

"Jerry A!" wrote:
> 
> On Thu, Feb 22, 2001 at 05:45:45PM +0100, Achim Gottinger wrote:
> : "Jerry A!" wrote:
> : >
> : > I'll do it.  I'll just have to be very careful.  I'll probably start
> : > tackling it by the beginning of next week.  And I'll make sure I give a
> : > general alert/heads up.
> :
> : The only package that really needs care is ORBit. About 50 packages are
> : in dev-perl.
> : I personaly thought that using the sources name as we did it till now
> : makes more sense since it reduces the typing in the scripts.
> : But if you guys are not happy with that change it.
> 
> Hmm...  Something to consider here.  I was thinking that user
> expectations are for things to be consistent.  You know, we could always
> try and modify the portage code to ignore case.
> 
> Daniel, what do you think of that?
> 
> : PS: Jerry have you tested pgcc and is there a package in the tree that I
> : can use here?
> 
> Sorry, it's still sitting on my machine waiting for some more tests.
> I'm one of those people who hates committing anything to a tree before
> unless it's more-or-less done.  I'll commit what I have when I get home.
> 

Well that doesn't work for me because I'm testing packages during
development on different machines with different ARCH,OPT and USE flags.
But I only change current-packages if I'm sure the package is stable.

achim~

>         --Jerry
> 
> name:  Jerry Alexandratos         ||  Open-Source software isn't a
> phone: 703.599.6023               ||  matter of life or death...
> email: jerry@thehutt.org          ||  ...It's much more important
>                                   ||  than that!
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Re: [gentoo-dev] new package

[Jerry A!]

On Thu, Feb 22, 2001 at 06:15:45PM +0100, Achim Gottinger wrote:
: 
: Well that doesn't work for me because I'm testing packages during
: development on different machines with different ARCH,OPT and USE flags.
: But I only change current-packages if I'm sure the package is stable.

Okay, I'll modify my behavior.  Regardless, I won't be able to commit it
until later today.  Sorry for any inconvenience.

        --Jerry

name:  Jerry Alexandratos         ||  Open-Source software isn't a
phone: 703.599.6023               ||  matter of life or death...
email: jerry@thehutt.org          ||  ...It's much more important
                                  ||  than that!

Re: [gentoo-dev] new package

[Jerry A!]

On Thu, Feb 22, 2001 at 06:09:44PM +0100, Achim Gottinger wrote:
: drobbins@gentoo.org wrote:
: 
: Well you should use MacOS X if you want this. :-)
: 
: The old MacOS fs was case insensitive, that's why these routines are in
: MacOS/X

Well, what about having the directories be lowercase (since those names
don't affect the portage) and then have only mixed-case ebuilds?

No, I have no idea why I'm even asking about this other than the fact
that most people's pinkys are too lazy to hit the shift key.  8)

        --Jerry

name:  Jerry Alexandratos         ||  Open-Source software isn't a
phone: 703.599.6023               ||  matter of life or death...
email: jerry@thehutt.org          ||  ...It's much more important
                                  ||  than that!

Re: [gentoo-dev] new package

[drobbins]

On Thu, Feb 22, 2001 at 01:04:48PM -0500, Jerry A! wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 22, 2001 at 06:09:44PM +0100, Achim Gottinger wrote:
> : drobbins@gentoo.org wrote:
> : 
> : Well you should use MacOS X if you want this. :-)
> : 
> : The old MacOS fs was case insensitive, that's why these routines are in
> : MacOS/X
> 
> Well, what about having the directories be lowercase (since those names
> don't affect the portage) and then have only mixed-case ebuilds?
> 
> No, I have no idea why I'm even asking about this other than the fact
> that most people's pinkys are too lazy to hit the shift key.  8)

Nope, that won't work.  I like consistency.

-- 
Daniel Robbins					<drobbins@gentoo.org>
President/CEO					http://www.gentoo.org 
Gentoo Technologies, Inc.			

Re: [gentoo-dev] new package

[Achim Gottinger]

"Jerry A!" wrote:
> 
> On Thu, Feb 22, 2001 at 06:09:44PM +0100, Achim Gottinger wrote:
> : drobbins@gentoo.org wrote:
> :
> : Well you should use MacOS X if you want this. :-)
> :
> : The old MacOS fs was case insensitive, that's why these routines are in
> : MacOS/X
> 
> Well, what about having the directories be lowercase (since those names
> don't affect the portage) and then have only mixed-case ebuilds?
> 
> No, I have no idea why I'm even asking about this other than the fact
> that most people's pinkys are too lazy to hit the shift key.  8)
> 

I germany I must hit shift not only at the beginning of a sentence.
Maybe
that's why I did not understand why you want to switch to lower cases.


achim~

>         --Jerry
> 
> name:  Jerry Alexandratos         ||  Open-Source software isn't a
> phone: 703.599.6023               ||  matter of life or death...
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>                                   ||  than that!
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Re: [gentoo-dev] new package

[Jerry A!]

On Thu, Feb 22, 2001 at 11:06:28AM -0700, drobbins@gentoo.org wrote:
: On Thu, Feb 22, 2001 at 01:04:48PM -0500, Jerry A! wrote:
: > On Thu, Feb 22, 2001 at 06:09:44PM +0100, Achim Gottinger wrote:
: > : drobbins@gentoo.org wrote:
: > : 
: > : Well you should use MacOS X if you want this. :-)
: > : 
: > : The old MacOS fs was case insensitive, that's why these routines are in
: > : MacOS/X
: > 
: > Well, what about having the directories be lowercase (since those names
: > don't affect the portage) and then have only mixed-case ebuilds?
: > 
: > No, I have no idea why I'm even asking about this other than the fact
: > that most people's pinkys are too lazy to hit the shift key.  8)
: 
: Nope, that won't work.  I like consistency.

Okay, just a suggestion.  Geez, they can't all be winners (my
suggestions).  8)

        --Jerry

name:  Jerry Alexandratos         ||  Open-Source software isn't a
phone: 703.599.6023               ||  matter of life or death...
email: jerry@thehutt.org          ||  ...It's much more important
                                  ||  than that!

Re: [gentoo-dev] new package

[Achim Gottinger]

"Jerry A!" wrote:
> 
> On Thu, Feb 22, 2001 at 06:15:45PM +0100, Achim Gottinger wrote:
> :
> : Well that doesn't work for me because I'm testing packages during
> : development on different machines with different ARCH,OPT and USE flags.
> : But I only change current-packages if I'm sure the package is stable.
> 
> Okay, I'll modify my behavior.  Regardless, I won't be able to commit it
> until later today.  Sorry for any inconvenience.

I don't think you must change you behaviour just because they are not
like mine. I just want to use the latest version of the gcc package for
further
development. I'm not planning to use the pgcc option because I have not
tested glibc-2.2.2/binutils-2.10.92.0.2 and I want to avoild side
effects.

Sorry if I sounded a bit rough, I normaly have worked a full day if you
guys wake up in US.

achim~
> 
>         --Jerry
> 
> name:  Jerry Alexandratos         ||  Open-Source software isn't a
> phone: 703.599.6023               ||  matter of life or death...
> email: jerry@thehutt.org          ||  ...It's much more important
>                                   ||  than that!
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Re: [gentoo-dev] new package

[Achim Gottinger]

"Jerry A!" wrote:
> 
> On Thu, Feb 22, 2001 at 11:06:28AM -0700, drobbins@gentoo.org wrote:
> : On Thu, Feb 22, 2001 at 01:04:48PM -0500, Jerry A! wrote:
> : > On Thu, Feb 22, 2001 at 06:09:44PM +0100, Achim Gottinger wrote:
> : > : drobbins@gentoo.org wrote:
> : > :
> : > : Well you should use MacOS X if you want this. :-)
> : > :
> : > : The old MacOS fs was case insensitive, that's why these routines are in
> : > : MacOS/X
> : >
> : > Well, what about having the directories be lowercase (since those names
> : > don't affect the portage) and then have only mixed-case ebuilds?
> : >
> : > No, I have no idea why I'm even asking about this other than the fact
> : > that most people's pinkys are too lazy to hit the shift key.  8)
> :
> : Nope, that won't work.  I like consistency.
> 
> Okay, just a suggestion.  Geez, they can't all be winners (my
> suggestions).  8)

How about that compromise. We use lowercases for all categories beside
dev-perl. This whould mean we change three or four package names and
makes
our categories look nicer.
For perl modules we continue using case sensitive names because the
majority of packages uses upper-cases and it reduces typing.

achim~
> 
>         --Jerry
> 
> name:  Jerry Alexandratos         ||  Open-Source software isn't a
> phone: 703.599.6023               ||  matter of life or death...
> email: jerry@thehutt.org          ||  ...It's much more important
>                                   ||  than that!
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Re: [gentoo-dev] new package

[drobbins]

On Thu, Feb 22, 2001 at 07:43:31PM +0100, Achim Gottinger wrote:

> How about that compromise. We use lowercases for all categories beside
> dev-perl. This whould mean we change three or four package names and makes
> our categories look nicer.  For perl modules we continue using case sensitive
> names because the majority of packages uses upper-cases and it reduces
> typing.

I say that we leave things as-is but begin investigating a MacOS X version
of Portage :)))

-- 
Daniel Robbins					<drobbins@gentoo.org>
President/CEO					http://www.gentoo.org 
Gentoo Technologies, Inc.			

Re: [gentoo-dev] new package

[Achim Gottinger]

drobbins@gentoo.org wrote:
> 
> On Thu, Feb 22, 2001 at 07:43:31PM +0100, Achim Gottinger wrote:
> 
> > How about that compromise. We use lowercases for all categories beside
> > dev-perl. This whould mean we change three or four package names and makes
> > our categories look nicer.  For perl modules we continue using case sensitive
> > names because the majority of packages uses upper-cases and it reduces
> > typing.
> 
> I say that we leave things as-is but begin investigating a MacOS X version
> of Portage :)))

?? Using case-sensitivity for SRC_URI and case-insensitivity for
dependencies?

Well I think in this case you must write an case insensitive bash
parser.

:-)

Mac OS's fs allows other things like storing multiple files under the
same 
name. I read an article about the MacOS X development and problems the
developers had with the port. Unfortunately I don't find it.

I hope this is theory for now.

achim~
> 
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Re: [gentoo-dev] new package

[Jerry A!]

On Thu, Feb 22, 2001 at 08:00:20PM +0100, Achim Gottinger wrote:
: 
: ?? Using case-sensitivity for SRC_URI and case-insensitivity for
: dependencies?
: 
: Well I think in this case you must write an case insensitive bash
: parser.

Actually, move it out of bash and into python.  Becomes simple.  Or have
bash call a perl one-liner or sed script to parse everything via
tolower()....

        --Jerry

name:  Jerry Alexandratos         ||  Open-Source software isn't a
phone: 703.599.6023               ||  matter of life or death...
email: jerry@thehutt.org          ||  ...It's much more important
                                  ||  than that!

[gentoo-dev] new package

[Pete Gavin]

Hi,

I wasn't able to find eject anywhere, so I added
sys-apps/eject-2.0.2.

Pete

Re: [gentoo-dev] new package

[drobbins]

On Sun, Mar 11, 2001 at 02:53:59PM -0700, Pete Gavin wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I wasn't able to find eject anywhere, so I added
> sys-apps/eject-2.0.2.

Thanks, Pete :)

-- 
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President/CEO					http://www.gentoo.org 
Gentoo Technologies, Inc.