[gentoo-dev] Simple question : installing packages

[gentoo-dev] Simple question : installing packages

[Brian Snipes]

The web site doesn't specify how to install the tbz2 packages after the initial install of Gentoo.  The only instructions are to copy the packages you want to /mnt/gentoo/tmp before reboot.  What is the 'proper' way to do package installs?  When you copy the files to the tmp dir should you copy the directories structure also or can you just copy the tbz2 files to a dir you create in tmp?

Brian Snipes

Re: [gentoo-dev] Simple question : installing packages

[drobbins]

On Thu, Jan 11, 2001 at 02:02:42PM -0600, Brian Snipes wrote:

> The web site doesn't specify how to install the tbz2 packages after the
> initial install of Gentoo.  The only instructions are to copy the packages
> you want to /mnt/gentoo/tmp before reboot.  What is the 'proper' way to do
> package installs?  When you copy the files to the tmp dir should you copy the
> directories structure also or can you just copy the tbz2 files to a dir you
> create in tmp?

You can just move over the packages you want to install.  The correct way to
install them is to type:

# pkgmerge package.tbz2

-- 
Daniel Robbins					<drobbins@gentoo.org>
President/CEO					http://www.gentoo.org 
Gentoo Technologies, Inc.			

Re: [gentoo-dev] Simple question : installing packages

[Brian Snipes]

Many thanks.... Any plans on adding the info to the web page are is the distribution still to be considered for developers only?

Brian Snipes

On Thu, 11 Jan 2001 14:10:58 -0700
drobbins@gentoo.org wrote:

> On Thu, Jan 11, 2001 at 02:02:42PM -0600, Brian Snipes wrote:
> 
> > The web site doesn't specify how to install the tbz2 packages after the
> > initial install of Gentoo.  The only instructions are to copy the packages
> > you want to /mnt/gentoo/tmp before reboot.  What is the 'proper' way to do
> > package installs?  When you copy the files to the tmp dir should you copy the
> > directories structure also or can you just copy the tbz2 files to a dir you
> > create in tmp?
> 
> You can just move over the packages you want to install.  The correct way to
> install them is to type:
> 
> # pkgmerge package.tbz2
> 
> -- 
> Daniel Robbins					<drobbins@gentoo.org>
> President/CEO					http://www.gentoo.org 
> Gentoo Technologies, Inc.			

Re: [gentoo-dev] Simple question : installing packages

[drobbins]

On Thu, Jan 11, 2001 at 03:26:59PM -0600, Brian Snipes wrote:

> Many thanks.... Any plans on adding the info to the web page are is the
> distribution still to be considered for developers only?

I need to find someone who can maintain and improve upon our existing 
documentation; I can't do everything :)

Any takers?

-- 
Daniel Robbins					<drobbins@gentoo.org>
President/CEO					http://www.gentoo.org 
Gentoo Technologies, Inc.			

Re: [gentoo-dev] Simple question : installing packages

[Thomas Flavel]

On Thu, 11 Jan 2001 drobbins@gentoo.org wrote:

> On Thu, Jan 11, 2001 at 03:26:59PM -0600, Brian Snipes wrote:
> 
> > Many thanks.... Any plans on adding the info to the web page are is the
> > distribution still to be considered for developers only?
> 
> I need to find someone who can maintain and improve upon our existing 
> documentation; I can't do everything :)
> 
> Any takers?

I'd be more than happy to have a go, plus It'd be a great operturnity to
learn in the process :)

- Tom

Re: [gentoo-dev] Simple question : installing packages

[drobbins]

On Thu, Jan 11, 2001 at 09:43:00PM +0000, Thomas Flavel wrote:

> I'd be more than happy to have a go, plus It'd be a great operturnity to
> learn in the process :)

OK, I'll get you going on CVS sometime today (I'll email you privately).
Yes, part of the deal is that you get to ask lots of questions :)
Do you think you can take care of all the documentation yourself with
no problem, or would you prefer it if I find one or two more people
who will also contribute?

Best Regards,

-- 
Daniel Robbins					<drobbins@gentoo.org>
President/CEO					http://www.gentoo.org 
Gentoo Technologies, Inc.			

Re: [gentoo-dev] Simple question : installing packages

[Thomas Flavel]

On Thu, 11 Jan 2001 drobbins@gentoo.org wrote:

> On Thu, Jan 11, 2001 at 09:43:00PM +0000, Thomas Flavel wrote:
> 
> > I'd be more than happy to have a go, plus It'd be a great operturnity to
> > learn in the process :)
> 
> OK, I'll get you going on CVS sometime today (I'll email you privately).
> Yes, part of the deal is that you get to ask lots of questions :)
> Do you think you can take care of all the documentation yourself with
> no problem, or would you prefer it if I find one or two more people
> who will also contribute?

I'll give it my best shot - can do the web site too if you like,
although there will be the odd pause whilst I concentrate on assignments
so it might be a good idea to have a backup person too ;)

- Tom

Re: [gentoo-dev] Simple question : installing packages

[Brian Snipes]

I volunteer in whatever way you can use.  I use cvs, php, and some dhtml here at work.

Brian Snipes

On Thu, 11 Jan 2001 21:54:27 +0000 (GMT)
Thomas Flavel <thomasfl@cogs.susx.ac.uk> wrote:

> On Thu, 11 Jan 2001 drobbins@gentoo.org wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, Jan 11, 2001 at 09:43:00PM +0000, Thomas Flavel wrote:
> > 
> > > I'd be more than happy to have a go, plus It'd be a great operturnity to
> > > learn in the process :)
> > 
> > OK, I'll get you going on CVS sometime today (I'll email you privately).
> > Yes, part of the deal is that you get to ask lots of questions :)
> > Do you think you can take care of all the documentation yourself with
> > no problem, or would you prefer it if I find one or two more people
> > who will also contribute?
> 
> I'll give it my best shot - can do the web site too if you like,
> although there will be the odd pause whilst I concentrate on assignments
> so it might be a good idea to have a backup person too ;)
> 
> - Tom
> 

Re: [gentoo-dev] Simple question : installing packages

[drobbins]

On Thu, Jan 11, 2001 at 04:33:52PM -0600, Brian Snipes wrote:
> I volunteer in whatever way you can use.  I use cvs, php, and some dhtml here at work.

We may want to put together a web team.  What kinds of things are you best at?
Do you do web design or focus more on coding dynamic content with php?

Even though the website isn't that amazing just yet, I'm very protective of it
because I created all the graphics (including all the logos) and the HTML from
scratch, as well as the python script that parses our Changelog and creates the
little development update on the right hand side.

What I probably should do is create a list of all the jobs that need to get
done, and then post it to the list.  If anyone has any ideas of things that
you'd like us to have on the web site, feel free offer suggestions.

Best Regards,

-- 
Daniel Robbins					<drobbins@gentoo.org>
President/CEO					http://www.gentoo.org 
Gentoo Technologies, Inc.			

Re: [gentoo-dev] Simple question : installing packages

[Thomas Flavel]

On Thu, 11 Jan 2001 drobbins@gentoo.org wrote:

> What I probably should do is create a list of all the jobs that need to get
> done, and then post it to the list.  If anyone has any ideas of things that
> you'd like us to have on the web site, feel free offer suggestions.

A list of newly-found security holes as and when they are found would be
nice, although I imagine that will take a while...

- Tom

Re: [gentoo-dev] Simple question : installing packages

[Brian Snipes]

Application design.   Dynamic content coming from MySQL.  My graphics design skills are minimal (ie. I can use Gimp to create a logo but don't ask me to picture a new look for a site :-)  

Brian Snipes

On Thu, 11 Jan 2001 15:45:53 -0700
drobbins@gentoo.org wrote:

> On Thu, Jan 11, 2001 at 04:33:52PM -0600, Brian Snipes wrote:
> > I volunteer in whatever way you can use.  I use cvs, php, and some dhtml here at work.
> 
> We may want to put together a web team.  What kinds of things are you best at?
> Do you do web design or focus more on coding dynamic content with php?
> 
> Even though the website isn't that amazing just yet, I'm very protective of it
> because I created all the graphics (including all the logos) and the HTML from
> scratch, as well as the python script that parses our Changelog and creates the
> little development update on the right hand side.
> 
> What I probably should do is create a list of all the jobs that need to get
> done, and then post it to the list.  If anyone has any ideas of things that
> you'd like us to have on the web site, feel free offer suggestions.
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> -- 
> Daniel Robbins					<drobbins@gentoo.org>
> President/CEO					http://www.gentoo.org 
> Gentoo Technologies, Inc.			

Re: [gentoo-dev] Simple question : installing packages

[Jo Bieg]

Hi there,

I'm just following these discussions since I'm really a newbie to linux.
However, I've got some questions you may be able to answer:

1. Checking what packages you need

Is there a way to determine the dependency status of the whole system (check
what packages are missing). I know there's an ebuild command to check the
dependency of a single package. So do I have to write a shell script which
goes through the db and checks every single package in there?

2. (Actually not Gentoo related) Organizing data.

Comparing Linux to Windows I realized the differences in managing data. Eg.
linux (and unix?) uses a "spread out" system collecting data of the same
type (like libraries, binaries, documentation) whereas Windows puts data
together (each program has its own directory). Is there a proper technical
term which describes these two models?

regards
Jo

I'd gladly help you out with the website. Though I'm not really working with
linux.
Yet, I'm just a Windows, Outlook and Photoshop lamer ;)

========================================
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http://www.netads.de/jogi

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Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Simple question : installing packages


> On Thu, Jan 11, 2001 at 04:33:52PM -0600, Brian Snipes wrote:
> > I volunteer in whatever way you can use.  I use cvs, php, and some dhtml
here at work.
>
> We may want to put together a web team.  What kinds of things are you best
at?
> Do you do web design or focus more on coding dynamic content with php?
>
> Even though the website isn't that amazing just yet, I'm very protective
of it
> because I created all the graphics (including all the logos) and the HTML
from
> scratch, as well as the python script that parses our Changelog and
creates the
> little development update on the right hand side.
>
> What I probably should do is create a list of all the jobs that need to
get
> done, and then post it to the list.  If anyone has any ideas of things
that
> you'd like us to have on the web site, feel free offer suggestions.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> --
> Daniel Robbins <drobbins@gentoo.org>
> President/CEO http://www.gentoo.org
> Gentoo Technologies, Inc.
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Simple question : installing packages

[drobbins]

On Fri, Jan 12, 2001 at 12:30:05PM +0100, Jo Bieg wrote:

> I'm just following these discussions since I'm really a newbie to linux.
> However, I've got some questions you may be able to answer:

Welcome to the list :)

> 1. Checking what packages you need
> 
> Is there a way to determine the dependency status of the whole system (check
> what packages are missing). I know there's an ebuild command to check the
> dependency of a single package. So do I have to write a shell script which
> goes through the db and checks every single package in there?

Try:

# portage-maintain

It'll inform you of any critical packages that aren't installed, as well as
when you have a package installed and there's a newer (recommended) version
available.

> 2. (Actually not Gentoo related) Organizing data.
> 
> Comparing Linux to Windows I realized the differences in managing data. Eg.
> linux (and unix?) uses a "spread out" system collecting data of the same
> type (like libraries, binaries, documentation) whereas Windows puts data
> together (each program has its own directory). Is there a proper technical
> term which describes these two models?

I guess the generic term is "filesystem organization".  Linux is moving towards
using a standard called FHS; however, most of the standards come from successful
traditions of past UNIX operating systems.

> I'd gladly help you out with the website. Though I'm not really working with
> linux.  Yet, I'm just a Windows, Outlook and Photoshop lamer ;)

Well, if you're a newbie, then you should be spending your time learning your
way around Linux :))  When you're comfortable with Linux, then we'll have some
ways you can help.

Best Regards,

-- 
Daniel Robbins					<drobbins@gentoo.org>
President/CEO					http://www.gentoo.org 
Gentoo Technologies, Inc.			

Re: [gentoo-dev] Simple question : installing packages

[Bill Anderson]

drobbins@gentoo.org wrote:

> On Thu, Jan 11, 2001 at 04:33:52PM -0600, Brian Snipes wrote:
> 
>> I volunteer in whatever way you can use.  I use cvs, php, and some dhtml here at work.
> 
> 
> We may want to put together a web team.  What kinds of things are you best at?
> Do you do web design or focus more on coding dynamic content with php?
> 
> Even though the website isn't that amazing just yet, I'm very protective of it
> because I created all the graphics (including all the logos) and the HTML from
> scratch, as well as the python script that parses our Changelog and creates the
> little development update on the right hand side.
> 
> What I probably should do is create a list of all the jobs that need to get
> done, and then post it to the list.  If anyone has any ideas of things that
> you'd like us to have on the web site, feel free offer suggestions.
> 
> Best Regards,


Well, depending on what server is used, I can certainly help. I am a 
rather fluent Zope/Python Developer.

Mebbe I'll prototype a site just for fun and example. :^)=

Yes, once I get Gentoo installed (waiting on hardware issue resoultion), 
I will be looking to provide some Zope packages.

Documentation-wise, I use LyX a _lot_, as it makes writing documentation 
(which I also do a lot of) much easier (mmm revision control...)

Just my 7.4 cents,

--
Bill Anderson
http://www.libc.org

Re: [gentoo-dev] Simple question : installing packages

[Bill Anderson]

drobbins@gentoo.org wrote:

> On Thu, Jan 11, 2001 at 03:26:59PM -0600, Brian Snipes wrote:
> 
> 
>> Many thanks.... Any plans on adding the info to the web page are is the
>> distribution still to be considered for developers only?
> 
> 
> I need to find someone who can maintain and improve upon our existing 
> documentation; I can't do everything :)
> 
> Any takers?

As I mentioned, I do a fairly significant amount of this, so i can help 
with this.
I prefer using lyx, since I can then output to postscript, pdf, ascii, 
html, etc.

--
Bill Anderson
http://www.libc.org

Re: [gentoo-dev] Simple question : installing packages

[drobbins]

On Fri, Jan 12, 2001 at 07:29:06PM -0700, Bill Anderson wrote:

> Well, depending on what server is used, I can certainly help. I am a 
> rather fluent Zope/Python Developer.
> 
> Mebbe I'll prototype a site just for fun and example. :^)=

Oooh.  I'm a big python fan so it looks like you've got dibs.

:)
-- 
Daniel Robbins					<drobbins@gentoo.org>
President/CEO					http://www.gentoo.org 
Gentoo Technologies, Inc.