From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1RFB7i-0006r0-N9 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sat, 15 Oct 2011 20:46:27 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A578C21C123; Sat, 15 Oct 2011 20:46:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtpq2.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net (smtpq2.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net [212.54.42.165]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4C2221C0D7 for ; Sat, 15 Oct 2011 20:45:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [212.54.42.141] (helo=smtp10.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net) by smtpq2.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RFB74-0002gm-AY for gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org; Sat, 15 Oct 2011 22:45:46 +0200 Received: from 5ed027a1.cm-7-1a.dynamic.ziggo.nl ([94.208.39.161] helo=data.antarean.org) by smtp10.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RFB71-0008PB-Pq for gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org; Sat, 15 Oct 2011 22:45:43 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by data.antarean.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C380E1A98 for ; Sat, 15 Oct 2011 22:45:57 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at antarean.org Received: from data.antarean.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (data.antarean.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Dl9t0M-IJ8gn for ; Sat, 15 Oct 2011 22:45:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: from eve.localnet (eve.lan.antarean.org [10.20.13.50]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by data.antarean.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 48C6F4B8 for ; Sat, 15 Oct 2011 22:45:56 +0200 (CEST) From: Joost Roeleveld To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion for getting rid of udev Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 22:45:41 +0200 Message-ID: <1857021.5vMv7goLBP@eve> User-Agent: KMail/4.7.1 (Linux/2.6.36-gentoo-r5; KDE/4.7.1; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: <20111015092954.347b9393@pomiocik.lan> References: <20111012044023.GA8203@waltdnes.org> <20111015040603.GB14632@waltdnes.org> <20111015092954.347b9393@pomiocik.lan> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-ID: 1RFB71-0008PB-Pq X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-SpamCheck: geen spam, SpamAssassin (niet cached, score=-0.692, vereist 5, BAYES_00 -1.90, KHOP_DYNAMIC 0.73, RDNS_DYNAMIC 0.98, RP_MATCHES_RCVD -0.50) X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-From: joost@antarean.org X-Spam-Status: No X-Archives-Salt: X-Archives-Hash: a718a34271c8b82438c982e319eb3423 On Saturday, October 15, 2011 09:29:54 AM Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny wrote:= > On Sat, 15 Oct 2011 00:06:03 -0400 >=20 > "Walter Dnes" wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 11:14:31AM -0400, Olivier Cr?te wrote > >=20 > > > We're imposing our deep integration because it's the only way to > > > make a compelling platform that "just works", forcing users to te= ll > > > the computer something the computer already knows is just plain > > > lazy and stupid. > > >=20 > > Eventually, that hits Mac or Windows-like levels of dictating 1 o= r 2 > >=20 > > sets of choices and nothing else. If I wanted Mac or Windows, I'd = be > > running Mac or Windows. If the developers don't deliberately make = my > > system break if /usr and /var aren't physically on / (and no > > initramfs), I'm willing to do a bit of extra work to configure thin= gs > > my way. Speaking of tight integration, what happens if Redhat's > > employees make udev depend on systemd? >=20 > And what happens, if GNU folks make GNU userland depend on Hurd? They'll finally get to version 1.x and Hurd can be used instead of the = Linux=20 kernel if someone wants to? :) -- Joost