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[89.70.93.144]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b2sm49384912eep.9.2013.02.08.13.41.05 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 08 Feb 2013 13:41:05 -0800 (PST) From: Maciej Mrozowski To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in virtual/ffmpeg: ffmpeg-9.ebuild ChangeLog ffmpeg-0.10.2-r1.ebuild Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2013 22:41:04 +0100 Message-ID: <1843047.zKdLAzEhcU@lebrodyl> User-Agent: KMail/4.9.5 (Linux/3.6.11-gentoo; KDE/4.9.5; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: <20130207055244.9167.qmail@stuge.se> References: <20130116124002.B9FA22171D@flycatcher.gentoo.org> <4176032.KcqBdYLtS8@arcarius> <20130207055244.9167.qmail@stuge.se> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart1501269.FzaRy3aCF9"; micalg="pgp-sha1"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: ea8e5636-debd-4edf-acbf-70bbee7a3ebd X-Archives-Hash: 3ac712697fdd0ed51351f8eb08317646 --nextPart1501269.FzaRy3aCF9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" On Thursday 07 of February 2013 06:52:44 Peter Stuge wrote: > Tom=C3=A1=C5=A1 Chv=C3=A1tal wrote: > > we as gentoo will provide both while preffered default will be what= > > major distros use. >=20 > What kind of careless mainstream attitude is that? Really? Quite the opposite, decision to use implementation A over B was taken w= ith=20 utmost care for user in mind. > I mean: You are saying that given two options, Gentoo will do > whatever "major distros" are doing. >=20 > (Never mind that Gentoo *is* a major distro, and whatever Gentoo does= > generates collective bias just like whatever any other distro does.) We are not, let's not go too far, please. > Oops, I forgot - that would mean actually having to *get informed* fi= rst. >=20 > "We as gentoo" must certainly avoid getting informed at all > cost!!!!111oneone >=20 > Are you *really* quite serious? Please explain yourself. > > > If you disagree with that and you don't want your lead to make that= > > decision > Hm? Where can I learn more about the "lead" ? So it is a single > person's decision, and not "we as gentoo" that decides? I'd like to > understand how this decision making process actually works. Does > anyone know? It depends - in distro-wide, package-tree-wide matters we have Gentoo C= ouncil.=20 In local matters like this - who does the job decides. Tom=C3=A1=C5=A1 = does the job - he=20 decides. > > which you and I both don't want. >=20 > Guess what - I have been on the receiving end of the arguably > insanely lame mainstream attitude that you support, and honestly >=20 > it fucking broke my heart > that people working on Linux distributions (it wasn't just Gentoo, > it was *every* distro) would be so genuinely uninterested in what > happens upstream, especially at a time where a downstream decision > may carry a bit of extra weight. > > I do not want that. >=20 > (Around the time this happened to me I wrote roughly the same in a > private email to developers of another distribution which shall > remain unnamed. I found that email in a pastebin a few days later.) >=20 >=20 > It is long since clear to me that I have much too high expectations > on people. >=20 > But are you *REALLY* not able to do *any* better than "default will > be what major distros use" ? >=20 > Seriously? Seriously you should take a deep breath, walk a dog maybe :) regards MM --nextPart1501269.FzaRy3aCF9 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) iEYEABECAAYFAlEVcPAACgkQFuHa/bHpVdtWwwCdEXtpNFGm5XV2EnzB8YLmPNFX /P8AoJ+WWC+0Pylj6cfc1PBokxJ9Wffc =m9in -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart1501269.FzaRy3aCF9--