* [gentoo-dev] net-irc/xchat @ 2012-11-25 20:27 Lars Wendler 2012-11-25 20:41 ` Zac Medico ` (2 more replies) 0 siblings, 3 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Lars Wendler @ 2012-11-25 20:27 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-dev; +Cc: god [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1447 bytes --] Hey list, I'm planning to lastrite net-irc/xchat in the next couple of weeks. Unfortunately my hope that upstream development would be resumed didn't come true. As the code becomes more and more outdated, open unfixed security bugs are present[1][2] and at some point in the future =x11-libs/gtk+-2* will vanish from the tree I don't see any other option than removing xchat from the tree. I don't see this as a big drama as we already have a drop-in replacement in form of the net-irc/hexchat fork. I checked this today and all people have to do is emerge hexchat and then copy over the xchat config: mkdir ${HOME}/.config ; cp -a ${HOME}/.xchat2 ${HOME}/.config/hexchat I'd like to see your opinion on this matter as long as you have one you'd like to share with me ;) Furthermore I would shift my attention from the xchat package to hexchat seeing that it currently gets proxy maintained. If there's no objection I'd like to become the new contact of the person currently maintaining the package in portage. I also planned to release a news through the portage news system as soon as I lastrite xchat so people know how to move over to hexchat. As I never did this before I'd like to have some help concerning this matter. Is there some documentation about portage news? Regards [1] https://bugs.gentoo.org/394657 [2] https://bugs.gentoo.org/257006 -- Lars Wendler (Polynomial-C) Gentoo package maintainer and bug-wrangler [-- Attachment #2: This is a digitally signed message part. --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 836 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-dev] net-irc/xchat 2012-11-25 20:27 [gentoo-dev] net-irc/xchat Lars Wendler @ 2012-11-25 20:41 ` Zac Medico 2012-11-25 21:03 ` hasufell 2012-11-25 22:04 ` Mike Frysinger 2 siblings, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Zac Medico @ 2012-11-25 20:41 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-dev On 11/25/2012 12:27 PM, Lars Wendler wrote: > I also planned to release a news through the portage news system as soon as I > lastrite xchat so people know how to move over to hexchat. As I never did this > before I'd like to have some help concerning this matter. Is there some > documentation about portage news? There's a nice little set of instructions here: http://gentoo-pr.org/node/16 The news repository is in git these days: http://sources.gentoo.org/gitweb/?p=proj/gentoo-news.git;a=summary -- Thanks, Zac ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-dev] net-irc/xchat 2012-11-25 20:27 [gentoo-dev] net-irc/xchat Lars Wendler 2012-11-25 20:41 ` Zac Medico @ 2012-11-25 21:03 ` hasufell 2012-11-25 21:14 ` Lars Wendler 2012-11-25 22:04 ` Mike Frysinger 2 siblings, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread From: hasufell @ 2012-11-25 21:03 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-dev -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 11/25/2012 09:27 PM, Lars Wendler wrote: > Hey list, > > I'm planning to lastrite net-irc/xchat in the next couple of > weeks. Unfortunately my hope that upstream development would be > resumed didn't come true. As the code becomes more and more > outdated, open unfixed security bugs are present[1][2] and at some > point in the future =x11-libs/gtk+-2* will vanish from the tree I > don't see any other option than removing xchat from the tree. I > don't see this as a big drama as we already have a drop-in > replacement in form of the net-irc/hexchat fork. I checked this > today and all people have to do is emerge hexchat and then copy > over the xchat config: mkdir ${HOME}/.config ; cp -a > ${HOME}/.xchat2 ${HOME}/.config/hexchat > > I'd like to see your opinion on this matter as long as you have one > you'd like to share with me ;) Furthermore I would shift my > attention from the xchat package to hexchat seeing that it > currently gets proxy maintained. If there's no objection I'd like > to become the new contact of the person currently maintaining the > package in portage. > > I also planned to release a news through the portage news system as > soon as I lastrite xchat so people know how to move over to > hexchat. As I never did this before I'd like to have some help > concerning this matter. Is there some documentation about portage > news? > > Regards > > > [1] https://bugs.gentoo.org/394657 [2] > https://bugs.gentoo.org/257006 That's a pity. I was just about to step forward to rescue net-irc/xchat-xsys from treecleaning. Do xchat plugins work in hexchat? Maybe we could just hardmask it. I see some ebuilds in the tree being hardmasked due to security bugs, but not removed which is ok to me. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJQsoeGAAoJEFpvPKfnPDWzkk0H/3GWd1Onq+xZXIaSs7InDooW 1GHhpVg4kJm/rYAH3qeO3USEhHaE9ul+EzdE+F6T9koEbWWrTZ9mLeDjrmmuig3i aJc9wymm3JUCUXVe+m5aCWN/rpxvuaey4LBQnjUfdb1njUmIljnhx8PzEibyCrAc k8sLGV0c6/e+PibDr6Exca7p/9yCgiCAfifcTI9XsSZGy8E6tBgV2wfaNN3K/XsA vB9zBVQ6d3BXleExTQ03VL+MOlYf4Y7Zn5jafu5bouEcplXqrbWnbdtDPvcb/xjT LdwelXOxwVp/U6ELftBUtxF47c68vnHvmVDa6N9Zz4PRbvpqiq9pqYXaGZHN3+o= =LfSU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-dev] net-irc/xchat 2012-11-25 21:03 ` hasufell @ 2012-11-25 21:14 ` Lars Wendler 2012-11-25 21:35 ` hasufell 0 siblings, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread From: Lars Wendler @ 2012-11-25 21:14 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-dev [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 2174 bytes --] Am Sonntag 25 November 2012, 22:03:03 schrieb hasufell: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 11/25/2012 09:27 PM, Lars Wendler wrote: > > Hey list, > > > > I'm planning to lastrite net-irc/xchat in the next couple of > > weeks. Unfortunately my hope that upstream development would be > > resumed didn't come true. As the code becomes more and more > > outdated, open unfixed security bugs are present[1][2] and at some > > point in the future =x11-libs/gtk+-2* will vanish from the tree I > > don't see any other option than removing xchat from the tree. I > > don't see this as a big drama as we already have a drop-in > > replacement in form of the net-irc/hexchat fork. I checked this > > today and all people have to do is emerge hexchat and then copy > > over the xchat config: mkdir ${HOME}/.config ; cp -a > > ${HOME}/.xchat2 ${HOME}/.config/hexchat > > > > I'd like to see your opinion on this matter as long as you have one > > you'd like to share with me ;) Furthermore I would shift my > > attention from the xchat package to hexchat seeing that it > > currently gets proxy maintained. If there's no objection I'd like > > to become the new contact of the person currently maintaining the > > package in portage. > > > > I also planned to release a news through the portage news system as > > soon as I lastrite xchat so people know how to move over to > > hexchat. As I never did this before I'd like to have some help > > concerning this matter. Is there some documentation about portage > > news? > > > > Regards > > > > > > [1] https://bugs.gentoo.org/394657 [2] > > https://bugs.gentoo.org/257006 > > That's a pity. I was just about to step forward to rescue > net-irc/xchat-xsys from treecleaning. How about migrating xchat-xsys to hexchat? > Do xchat plugins work in hexchat? That's something for me to find out as well. I maintain the xchat-otr plugin which I would like to continue using in hexchat. > Maybe we could just hardmask it. I see some ebuilds in the tree being > hardmasked due to security bugs, but not removed which is ok to me. -- Lars Wendler (Polynomial-C) Gentoo package maintainer and bug-wrangler [-- Attachment #2: This is a digitally signed message part. --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 836 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-dev] net-irc/xchat 2012-11-25 21:14 ` Lars Wendler @ 2012-11-25 21:35 ` hasufell 0 siblings, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: hasufell @ 2012-11-25 21:35 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-dev -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > >> Do xchat plugins work in hexchat? > > That's something for me to find out as well. I maintain the > xchat-otr plugin which I would like to continue using in hexchat. > just tested xchat-xsys on hexchat and it does work, all commands afais -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJQso8IAAoJEFpvPKfnPDWzTioH/iSFYPbIMdeiqbekbaHDPsCB RrjoR8krxWhmQW7RvecdwM8hefHY/c6I6SdMPGDkpsBqCAdgFjvcDC2l486pqyWN K+oFr66/lS2J5cHBcYX19w6kaeNZv25kDVs6t0AtqQxqROIpMnJl7UZ3jsexEBn2 by5dmqF8viSnfTXOsFm3//xDewBigTd6PkZfGoVxUmHkS5QoQS5R9HOA2m9uBWEj nP9FbxfE0jMsHYzhZp9vuUwYLUPTpD8wNdImloFTn1uuFth39zHkjjNlgGGZkNB9 snVtEV5mUnZNclNfR1XNCGyOIcXqnHi4R8IwcUPK01KlEirU7BEIqyA/Qx1xPiA= =uCoF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-dev] net-irc/xchat 2012-11-25 20:27 [gentoo-dev] net-irc/xchat Lars Wendler 2012-11-25 20:41 ` Zac Medico 2012-11-25 21:03 ` hasufell @ 2012-11-25 22:04 ` Mike Frysinger 2012-11-25 22:26 ` Mike Gilbert 2 siblings, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread From: Mike Frysinger @ 2012-11-25 22:04 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-dev; +Cc: god On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 3:27 PM, Lars Wendler wrote: > I also planned to release a news through the portage news system as soon as I > lastrite xchat so people know how to move over to hexchat. As I never did this > before I'd like to have some help concerning this matter. Is there some > documentation about portage news? use profiles/updates/ to move xchat to hexchat ... -mike ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-dev] net-irc/xchat 2012-11-25 22:04 ` Mike Frysinger @ 2012-11-25 22:26 ` Mike Gilbert 2012-11-25 23:14 ` Lars Wendler 2012-11-26 9:18 ` Mike Frysinger 0 siblings, 2 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Mike Gilbert @ 2012-11-25 22:26 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-dev; +Cc: god On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 5:04 PM, Mike Frysinger <vapier@gentoo.org> wrote: > On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 3:27 PM, Lars Wendler wrote: >> I also planned to release a news through the portage news system as soon as I >> lastrite xchat so people know how to move over to hexchat. As I never did this >> before I'd like to have some help concerning this matter. Is there some >> documentation about portage news? > > use profiles/updates/ to move xchat to hexchat ... > -mike > I don't think a package move is appropriate since the two packages install different files. The installed files would not be updated, just the vdb. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-dev] net-irc/xchat 2012-11-25 22:26 ` Mike Gilbert @ 2012-11-25 23:14 ` Lars Wendler 2012-11-26 9:18 ` Mike Frysinger 1 sibling, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Lars Wendler @ 2012-11-25 23:14 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-dev; +Cc: Mike Gilbert, god [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 840 bytes --] Am Sonntag 25 November 2012, 17:26:30 schrieb Mike Gilbert: > On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 5:04 PM, Mike Frysinger <vapier@gentoo.org> wrote: > > On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 3:27 PM, Lars Wendler wrote: > >> I also planned to release a news through the portage news system as soon > >> as I lastrite xchat so people know how to move over to hexchat. As I > >> never did this before I'd like to have some help concerning this matter. > >> Is there some documentation about portage news? > > > > use profiles/updates/ to move xchat to hexchat ... > > -mike > > I don't think a package move is appropriate since the two packages > install different files. The installed files would not be updated, > just the vdb. Indeed. I also think that a pkg-move cannot be done here. -- Lars Wendler (Polynomial-C) Gentoo package maintainer and bug-wrangler [-- Attachment #2: This is a digitally signed message part. --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 836 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-dev] net-irc/xchat 2012-11-25 22:26 ` Mike Gilbert 2012-11-25 23:14 ` Lars Wendler @ 2012-11-26 9:18 ` Mike Frysinger 2012-11-26 10:00 ` Michał Górny 1 sibling, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread From: Mike Frysinger @ 2012-11-26 9:18 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-dev; +Cc: god On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 5:26 PM, Mike Gilbert wrote: > On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 5:04 PM, Mike Frysinger wrote: >> On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 3:27 PM, Lars Wendler wrote: >>> I also planned to release a news through the portage news system as soon as I >>> lastrite xchat so people know how to move over to hexchat. As I never did this >>> before I'd like to have some help concerning this matter. Is there some >>> documentation about portage news? >> >> use profiles/updates/ to move xchat to hexchat ... > > I don't think a package move is appropriate since the two packages > install different files. The installed files would not be updated, > just the vdb. ... which portage will happily "upgrade" next time you `emerge -u world` -mike ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-dev] net-irc/xchat 2012-11-26 9:18 ` Mike Frysinger @ 2012-11-26 10:00 ` Michał Górny 2012-11-26 10:07 ` Mike Frysinger 0 siblings, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread From: Michał Górny @ 2012-11-26 10:00 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-dev; +Cc: vapier, god [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 962 bytes --] On Mon, 26 Nov 2012 04:18:40 -0500 Mike Frysinger <vapier@gentoo.org> wrote: > On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 5:26 PM, Mike Gilbert wrote: > > On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 5:04 PM, Mike Frysinger wrote: > >> On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 3:27 PM, Lars Wendler wrote: > >>> I also planned to release a news through the portage news system as soon as I > >>> lastrite xchat so people know how to move over to hexchat. As I never did this > >>> before I'd like to have some help concerning this matter. Is there some > >>> documentation about portage news? > >> > >> use profiles/updates/ to move xchat to hexchat ... > > > > I don't think a package move is appropriate since the two packages > > install different files. The installed files would not be updated, > > just the vdb. > > ... which portage will happily "upgrade" next time you `emerge -u world` Hmm, like 'move sys-fs/udev sys-apps/systemd'? /me hides... -- Best regards, Michał Górny [-- Attachment #2: signature.asc --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 316 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-dev] net-irc/xchat 2012-11-26 10:00 ` Michał Górny @ 2012-11-26 10:07 ` Mike Frysinger 2012-11-26 10:17 ` Michał Górny 0 siblings, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread From: Mike Frysinger @ 2012-11-26 10:07 UTC (permalink / raw To: Michał Górny; +Cc: gentoo-dev, god On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 5:00 AM, Michał Górny wrote: > On Mon, 26 Nov 2012 04:18:40 -0500 Mike Frysinger wrote: >> On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 5:26 PM, Mike Gilbert wrote: >> > On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 5:04 PM, Mike Frysinger wrote: >> >> On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 3:27 PM, Lars Wendler wrote: >> >>> I also planned to release a news through the portage news system as soon as I >> >>> lastrite xchat so people know how to move over to hexchat. As I never did this >> >>> before I'd like to have some help concerning this matter. Is there some >> >>> documentation about portage news? >> >> >> >> use profiles/updates/ to move xchat to hexchat ... >> > >> > I don't think a package move is appropriate since the two packages >> > install different files. The installed files would not be updated, >> > just the vdb. >> >> ... which portage will happily "upgrade" next time you `emerge -u world` > > Hmm, like 'move sys-fs/udev sys-apps/systemd'? i think the difference here is that we all agree that everyone wants to upgrade from xchat to hexchat -mike ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-dev] net-irc/xchat 2012-11-26 10:07 ` Mike Frysinger @ 2012-11-26 10:17 ` Michał Górny 2012-11-26 10:33 ` Mike Frysinger 2012-11-26 18:07 ` Ciaran McCreesh 0 siblings, 2 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Michał Górny @ 2012-11-26 10:17 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-dev; +Cc: vapier, god [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 2168 bytes --] On Mon, 26 Nov 2012 05:07:53 -0500 Mike Frysinger <vapier@gentoo.org> wrote: > On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 5:00 AM, Michał Górny wrote: > > On Mon, 26 Nov 2012 04:18:40 -0500 Mike Frysinger wrote: > >> On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 5:26 PM, Mike Gilbert wrote: > >> > On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 5:04 PM, Mike Frysinger wrote: > >> >> On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 3:27 PM, Lars Wendler wrote: > >> >>> I also planned to release a news through the portage news system as soon as I > >> >>> lastrite xchat so people know how to move over to hexchat. As I never did this > >> >>> before I'd like to have some help concerning this matter. Is there some > >> >>> documentation about portage news? > >> >> > >> >> use profiles/updates/ to move xchat to hexchat ... > >> > > >> > I don't think a package move is appropriate since the two packages > >> > install different files. The installed files would not be updated, > >> > just the vdb. > >> > >> ... which portage will happily "upgrade" next time you `emerge -u world` > > > > Hmm, like 'move sys-fs/udev sys-apps/systemd'? > > i think the difference here is that we all agree that everyone wants > to upgrade from xchat to hexchat Maybe. On the other hand, the udev->systemd switch was performed upstream which makes it a valid candidate for package move. xchat & hexchat are different packages. It's a bit like pretending that the discontinuation and fork didn't ever happen, and the packages are equivalent (which they are not, as have been already pointed out). IMO considering the fact that user needs to migrate his configuration by hand, making the switch automagic is not helpful at all. It's rather confusing when 'xchat' instantly becomes 'hexchat' which it is actually not before the rebuild. And after the rebuild user suffers the usual upgrade pain of packages changing heavily between versions. So, please do not hack the updates mechanism around to achieve minor goals. It should be used to move packages which suffered a rename or merge, not to provide replacements and suggestions. For those, package.mask messages are much better. -- Best regards, Michał Górny [-- Attachment #2: signature.asc --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 316 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-dev] net-irc/xchat 2012-11-26 10:17 ` Michał Górny @ 2012-11-26 10:33 ` Mike Frysinger 2012-11-26 12:16 ` Rich Freeman 2012-11-26 18:17 ` Walter Dnes 2012-11-26 18:07 ` Ciaran McCreesh 1 sibling, 2 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Mike Frysinger @ 2012-11-26 10:33 UTC (permalink / raw To: Michał Górny; +Cc: gentoo-dev, god On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 5:17 AM, Michał Górny wrote: > xchat & hexchat are different packages. It's a bit like pretending that > the discontinuation and fork didn't ever happen, and the packages are > equivalent (which they are not, as have been already pointed out). they're about as equivalent as you're going to get. a few plugins don't work, but not a big deal. the config file formats are also largely compatible. > IMO considering the fact that user needs to migrate his configuration > by hand, making the switch automagic is not helpful at all. yeah, i don't think so. that's like saying "since i have to turn the steering wheel anyways when driving a car, there's no point in power steering". > And after the rebuild user suffers the usual > upgrade pain of packages changing heavily between versions. which is irrelevant to the suggestion at hand > So, please do not hack the updates mechanism around to achieve minor > goals. It should be used to move packages which suffered a rename > or merge, not to provide replacements and suggestions. For those, > package.mask messages are much better. the inability to "make" users read the package.mask message explaining the situation is the only valid point in your e-mail. along those lines, a news entry is probably not even necessary. -mike ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-dev] net-irc/xchat 2012-11-26 10:33 ` Mike Frysinger @ 2012-11-26 12:16 ` Rich Freeman 2012-11-26 15:12 ` Luca Barbato 2012-11-26 18:14 ` Mike Frysinger 2012-11-26 18:17 ` Walter Dnes 1 sibling, 2 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Rich Freeman @ 2012-11-26 12:16 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-dev; +Cc: Michał Górny, god On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 5:33 AM, Mike Frysinger <vapier@gentoo.org> wrote: > along those lines, a news entry is probably not even necessary. So, users will just suddenly have their binary change names, and will need to manually move config files and update logrotate.d files (if in use), and the only notice will be in an elog? Oh, and that elog will appear for a program called "hexchat" which as far as the user is aware they don't even use. This really seems to be stretching the purpose of package moves, and I don't hear users generally complaining about the fact that we give them too much warning when we're about to break their systems. We really should be using news more, and not less. Rich ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-dev] net-irc/xchat 2012-11-26 12:16 ` Rich Freeman @ 2012-11-26 15:12 ` Luca Barbato 2012-11-26 18:14 ` Mike Frysinger 1 sibling, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Luca Barbato @ 2012-11-26 15:12 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-dev On 11/26/2012 01:16 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 5:33 AM, Mike Frysinger <vapier@gentoo.org> wrote: >> along those lines, a news entry is probably not even necessary. > > So, users will just suddenly have their binary change names, and will > need to manually move config files and update logrotate.d files (if in > use), and the only notice will be in an elog? Oh, and that elog will > appear for a program called "hexchat" which as far as the user is > aware they don't even use. > > This really seems to be stretching the purpose of package moves, and I > don't hear users generally complaining about the fact that we give > them too much warning when we're about to break their systems. We > really should be using news more, and not less. We can do what we do for mplayer2 and soon mpv. If the program is largely the same adding compatibility symlinks seems to me the simplest solution. lu ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-dev] net-irc/xchat 2012-11-26 12:16 ` Rich Freeman 2012-11-26 15:12 ` Luca Barbato @ 2012-11-26 18:14 ` Mike Frysinger 1 sibling, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Mike Frysinger @ 2012-11-26 18:14 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-dev; +Cc: Michał Górny, god On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 7:16 AM, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 5:33 AM, Mike Frysinger wrote: >> along those lines, a news entry is probably not even necessary. > > So, users will just move config in an elog? Oh, and they don't even use. see what happens when you delete context ? it no longer makes sense. if you read my reply in whole, it'd be clear that i was agreeing with Michał about the package.mask route *which would then make the need for a news entry pointless*. -mike ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-dev] net-irc/xchat 2012-11-26 10:33 ` Mike Frysinger 2012-11-26 12:16 ` Rich Freeman @ 2012-11-26 18:17 ` Walter Dnes 2012-11-26 18:43 ` Diego Elio Pettenò 1 sibling, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread From: Walter Dnes @ 2012-11-26 18:17 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-dev On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 05:33:15AM -0500, Mike Frysinger wrote > > the inability to "make" users read the package.mask message explaining > the situation is the only valid point in your e-mail. > > along those lines, a news entry is probably not even necessary. Howsabout following the same procedure as when xpdf was dropped? I vaguely remember "emerge --update --deep world" stopping with a message that xpdf was being dropped, and also a few alternatives were suggested in the message. -- Walter Dnes <waltdnes@waltdnes.org> ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-dev] net-irc/xchat 2012-11-26 18:17 ` Walter Dnes @ 2012-11-26 18:43 ` Diego Elio Pettenò 0 siblings, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Diego Elio Pettenò @ 2012-11-26 18:43 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-dev On 26/11/2012 10:17, Walter Dnes wrote: > Howsabout following the same procedure as when xpdf was dropped? I > vaguely remember "emerge --update --deep world" stopping with a message > that xpdf was being dropped, and also a few alternatives were suggested > in the message. That's the p.maks message. -- Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes flameeyes@flameeyes.eu — http://blog.flameeyes.eu/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-dev] net-irc/xchat 2012-11-26 10:17 ` Michał Górny 2012-11-26 10:33 ` Mike Frysinger @ 2012-11-26 18:07 ` Ciaran McCreesh 1 sibling, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Ciaran McCreesh @ 2012-11-26 18:07 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-dev [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 419 bytes --] On Mon, 26 Nov 2012 11:17:13 +0100 Michał Górny <mgorny@gentoo.org> wrote: > Maybe. On the other hand, the udev->systemd switch was performed > upstream which makes it a valid candidate for package move. No, it's not a valid candidate for a package move if the destination package already exists. A "move" is specifically for a rename, not for merging two existing packages together. -- Ciaran McCreesh [-- Attachment #2: signature.asc --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 198 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
end of thread, other threads:[~2012-11-26 18:44 UTC | newest] Thread overview: 19+ messages (download: mbox.gz follow: Atom feed -- links below jump to the message on this page -- 2012-11-25 20:27 [gentoo-dev] net-irc/xchat Lars Wendler 2012-11-25 20:41 ` Zac Medico 2012-11-25 21:03 ` hasufell 2012-11-25 21:14 ` Lars Wendler 2012-11-25 21:35 ` hasufell 2012-11-25 22:04 ` Mike Frysinger 2012-11-25 22:26 ` Mike Gilbert 2012-11-25 23:14 ` Lars Wendler 2012-11-26 9:18 ` Mike Frysinger 2012-11-26 10:00 ` Michał Górny 2012-11-26 10:07 ` Mike Frysinger 2012-11-26 10:17 ` Michał Górny 2012-11-26 10:33 ` Mike Frysinger 2012-11-26 12:16 ` Rich Freeman 2012-11-26 15:12 ` Luca Barbato 2012-11-26 18:14 ` Mike Frysinger 2012-11-26 18:17 ` Walter Dnes 2012-11-26 18:43 ` Diego Elio Pettenò 2012-11-26 18:07 ` Ciaran McCreesh
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