[gentoo-dev] xserver ebuilds

[gentoo-dev] xserver ebuilds

[Donnie Berkholz]

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Hi everyone,
I recently finished putting together some ebuilds for freedesktop's
xserver (formerly known as kdrive).

People have been bugging me about them like crazy, so here they are:
http://dev.gentoo.org/~spyderous/overlay-freedesktop/

Be sure to READ the README, so you don't overwrite your installed xfree
and have an idea of how things work.

Please find me on IRC or email me with any suggested changes.

Thanks,
Donnie

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Re: [gentoo-dev] xserver ebuilds

[Richard Lärkäng]

On Sunday 16 November 2003 08.48, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> Hi everyone,
> I recently finished putting together some ebuilds for freedesktop's
> xserver (formerly known as kdrive).
>
> People have been bugging me about them like crazy, so here they are:
> http://dev.gentoo.org/~spyderous/overlay-freedesktop/
>
> Be sure to READ the README, so you don't overwrite your installed xfree
> and have an idea of how things work.
>
> Please find me on IRC or email me with any suggested changes.

Hi!

Any chance to get a tarball of just the overlay-freedesktop?
Also the freedesktop eclass seems to be missing from overlay-freedesktop

Richard Lärkäng

>
> Thanks,
> Donnie

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Re: [gentoo-dev] xserver ebuilds

[Donnie Berkholz]

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On Sun, 2003-11-16 at 07:50, Richard Lärkäng wrote:
> On Sunday 16 November 2003 08.48, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> > Hi everyone,
> > I recently finished putting together some ebuilds for freedesktop's
> > xserver (formerly known as kdrive).
<snip>
> Any chance to get a tarball of just the overlay-freedesktop?
> Also the freedesktop eclass seems to be missing from overlay-freedesktop

Ah, thanks for catching the missing eclass. That's fixed.

Creating a tarball of the overlay-freedesktop is overly difficult for
me, as it's a tree of symlinks to my real overlay. If you take the full
tarball and delete everything except distfiles, eclass, and x11-*,
you'll have very few extra files. The download also will be quite close
to the same size since the rest is just ebuilds and other small text
files.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] xserver ebuilds

[Richard Lärkäng]

On Sunday 16 November 2003 22.45, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> Ah, thanks for catching the missing eclass. That's fixed.
>
> Creating a tarball of the overlay-freedesktop is overly difficult for
> me, as it's a tree of symlinks to my real overlay. If you take the full
> tarball and delete everything except distfiles, eclass, and x11-*,
> you'll have very few extra files. The download also will be quite close
> to the same size since the rest is just ebuilds and other small text
> files.

Ok, I didn't check carefully enough in the overlay directory, so I thought 
there were more distfiles than the xserver ones... I don't mind a few extra 
ebuilds though.

Thanks a lot for writing the ebuilds, I'm really excited to try it out.

Richard Lärkäng

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Re: [gentoo-dev] xserver ebuilds

[Ciaran McCreesh]

On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 02:48:30 -0500 Donnie Berkholz
<spyderous@gentoo.org> wrote:
| I recently finished putting together some ebuilds for freedesktop's
| xserver (formerly known as kdrive).

For those of you who were wondering about the advantages of kdrive, this
is what I managed to do with a bit of tinkering:

http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm/screenshots/raindrop-2003-11-17b.png

That's a patched fluxbox on kdrive. Not totally stable yet, but window
shadows and transparency make the occasional segfault worthwhile. I
could probably get antialiasing to work if I play around a bit. More eye
candy than OS X now:)

If anyone wants to know more about the fluxbox side of things, /query
ciaranm on freenode. In the mean time, Donnie rules.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] xserver ebuilds

[donnie berkholz]

> On Sunday 16 November 2003 22.45, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
>> Ah, thanks for catching the missing eclass. That's fixed.
>>
>> Creating a tarball of the overlay-freedesktop is overly difficult for
>> me, as it's a tree of symlinks to my real overlay. If you take the
>> full tarball and delete everything except distfiles, eclass, and
>> x11-*, you'll have very few extra files. The download also will be
>> quite close to the same size since the rest is just ebuilds and other
>> small text files.
>
> Ok, I didn't check carefully enough in the overlay directory, so I
> thought  there were more distfiles than the xserver ones... I don't mind
> a few extra  ebuilds though.
>
> Thanks a lot for writing the ebuilds, I'm really excited to try it out.

There are a few extra distfiles, but they're all libs from freedesktop.org
that you may decide you want after you're unable to start some
applications without them.



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Re: [gentoo-dev] xserver ebuilds

[Andrew Gaffney]

Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> Hi everyone,
> I recently finished putting together some ebuilds for freedesktop's
> xserver (formerly known as kdrive).
> 
> People have been bugging me about them like crazy, so here they are:
> http://dev.gentoo.org/~spyderous/overlay-freedesktop/

What are the advantages to this as opposed to the standard X?

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Re: [gentoo-dev] xserver ebuilds

[Markus Nigbur]

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On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 07:36:48 -0600
Andrew Gaffney <agaffney@technaut.darktalker.net> wrote:

> Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> > Hi everyone,
> > I recently finished putting together some ebuilds for freedesktop's
> > xserver (formerly known as kdrive).
> > 
> > People have been bugging me about them like crazy, so here they are:
> > http://dev.gentoo.org/~spyderous/overlay-freedesktop/
> 
> What are the advantages to this as opposed to the standard X?

True transparency for one (alias translucent windows).

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Re: [gentoo-dev] xserver ebuilds

[Andrew Gaffney]

Markus Nigbur wrote:
> On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 07:36:48 -0600
> Andrew Gaffney <agaffney@technaut.darktalker.net> wrote:
> 
> 
>>Donnie Berkholz wrote:
>>
>>>Hi everyone,
>>>I recently finished putting together some ebuilds for freedesktop's
>>>xserver (formerly known as kdrive).
>>>
>>>People have been bugging me about them like crazy, so here they are:
>>>http://dev.gentoo.org/~spyderous/overlay-freedesktop/
>>
>>What are the advantages to this as opposed to the standard X?
> 
> 
> True transparency for one (alias translucent windows).

I read something about it being good for embedded systems. Why is this?

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Re: [gentoo-dev] xserver ebuilds

[Donnie Berkholz]

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On Tue, 2003-11-18 at 09:46, Markus Nigbur wrote:
> On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 07:36:48 -0600
> Andrew Gaffney <agaffney@technaut.darktalker.net> wrote:
> 
> > Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> > > Hi everyone,
> > > I recently finished putting together some ebuilds for freedesktop's
> > > xserver (formerly known as kdrive).
> > > 
> > > People have been bugging me about them like crazy, so here they are:
> > > http://dev.gentoo.org/~spyderous/overlay-freedesktop/
> > 
> > What are the advantages to this as opposed to the standard X?
> 
> True transparency for one (alias translucent windows).

The size of all the libraries, xserver and the compositing manager
totals ~10MB. (Note this does not include fonts.)

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Re: [gentoo-dev] xserver ebuilds

[Ciaran McCreesh]

On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 09:44:13 -0600 Andrew Gaffney
<agaffney@technaut.darktalker.net> wrote:
| I read something about it being good for embedded systems. Why is
| this?

It seems to be a lot smaller than XFree, which would probably be an
advantage for embedded...

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Re: [gentoo-dev] xserver ebuilds

[David Tanacs]

> freedesktop's xserver (formerly known as kdrive).
> > What are the advantages to this as opposed to the standard X?
> 
> True transparency for one (alias translucent windows).

Does it support nVidia cards?

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Re: [gentoo-dev] xserver ebuilds

[Ciaran McCreesh]

On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 00:03:37 +0100 David Tanacs
<tanacsdavid@freemail.hu> wrote:
| > > What are the advantages to this as opposed to the standard X?
| > 
| > True transparency for one (alias translucent windows).
| 
| Does it support nVidia cards?

Yup, in fact the first screenie I posted was taken on an nVidia
(a GeForce 4 of some kind)...

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Re: [gentoo-dev] xserver ebuilds

[donnie berkholz]

gabor <gabor@z10n.net> wrote:
> question:
>
> i understand this thing is very much in development and uncomplete. but
> when finished,
> what will be the compatibility?
> i mean should all X apps run fine (kde/gnome/mozilla/openoffice/java)?

That's the idea. It's supposed to be compliant with the X standards, so if
the apps are written to be compliant with the same instead of some
XFree86-only hack, they should work.

> and the drivers? will we be able to use for example the binary-only
> nvidia-or-ati drivers?

They will need to have new drivers for this. Talks are underway with at
least one major distributor.

> what about opengl?

That's in the works. You might want to follow the xserver mailing list at
xserver.freedesktop.org.



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Re: [gentoo-dev] xserver ebuilds

[gabor]

On Sun, 2003-11-16 at 08:48, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> Hi everyone,
> I recently finished putting together some ebuilds for freedesktop's
> xserver (formerly known as kdrive).
> 
> People have been bugging me about them like crazy, so here they are:
> http://dev.gentoo.org/~spyderous/overlay-freedesktop/

thanks a lot for the ebuilds....

question:

i understand this thing is very much in development and uncomplete. but
when finished,
what will be the compatibility?
i mean should all X apps run fine (kde/gnome/mozilla/openoffice/java)?

and the drivers? will we be able to use for example the binary-only
nvidia-or-ati drivers?

what about opengl?

thanks,
gabor


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[gentoo-dev] Re: xserver ebuilds

[Sebastian Bergmann]

Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> People have been bugging me about them like crazy, so here they are:
> http://dev.gentoo.org/~spyderous/overlay-freedesktop/

  I installed it and

    # to start server, try something like...
    sudo /opt/fdo/bin/Xvesa :1 & xterm -display :1

    # in xterm...
    export LD_LIBRARY_PATH="/opt/fdo/lib:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH"
    /opt/fdo/bin/xcompmgr

  works great, I can for instance launch applications like
  MozillaFirebird.

  How can I setup my GENTOO system to start GDM using XServer rather than
  XFree86?

  TIA,
Sebastian

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: xserver ebuilds

[Donnie Berkholz]

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On Sun, 2003-11-23 at 11:26, Sebastian Bergmann wrote:
>   How can I setup my GENTOO system to start GDM using XServer rather than
>   XFree86?

Edit /etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf to start /path/to/Xvesa instead of
/usr/X11R6/bin/X.

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[gentoo-dev] Re: xserver ebuilds

[Sebastian Bergmann]

Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> Edit /etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf to start /path/to/Xvesa instead of
> /usr/X11R6/bin/X.

  Thank you!

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