From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9F8DF138334 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2019 20:10:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 279DFE0883; Fri, 6 Dec 2019 20:10:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 912DAE0729 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2019 20:10:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from tuxbrain.localnet (178-191-254-90.adsl.highway.telekom.at [178.191.254.90]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: asturm) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7382634D2E8; Fri, 6 Dec 2019 20:10:40 +0000 (UTC) From: Andreas Sturmlechner To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Cc: Thomas Deutschmann Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] unsanctioned python 2.7 crusade Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2019 21:10:12 +0100 Message-ID: <175076460.jlIWfiDEfW@tuxbrain> In-Reply-To: <83443938-904e-7915-6e5f-c8e2d3ae61f0@gentoo.org> References: <83443938-904e-7915-6e5f-c8e2d3ae61f0@gentoo.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Archives-Salt: 07dec15e-42fd-4b83-941a-f9842c104a19 X-Archives-Hash: d78a4f30b4d933946718d6f05396a457 On Friday, 6 December 2019 20:47:31 CET Thomas Deutschmann wrote: > On 2019-12-06 17:44, Mike Gilbert wrote: > > 1. Keep the old version installed. > > 2. Emit a confusing error message to the user since the use-dependency > > on dev-python/example[python_targets_python2_7] cannot be resolved > > with the latest visible version. > > I don't fully understand #2 to be honest but yes, you will be cut off > from latest version at some point. Same in PHP. Considering that above statement, I would expect a bit more humility than the following: > Maybe someday one of those responsible will admit that this step was not > a thoughtful and good decision and promise not to do it that way again > and I'll get over it. Who knows. :) Just so we're on the same page, a recent example of what some people suggesting to keep py27 ad nauseam are asking users to deal with: # emerge -uDpv @world These are the packages that would be merged, in order: Calculating dependencies... done! Total: 0 packages, Size of downloads: 0 KiB WARNING: One or more updates/rebuilds have been skipped due to a dependency conflict: dev-python/sphinx:0 (dev-python/sphinx-2.0.1:0/0::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge) conflicts with >=dev-python/ sphinx-1.5.3[python_targets_python2_7(-),python_targets_python3_6(-),- python_single_target_pypy(-),-python_single_target_pypy3(-),- python_single_target_python2_7(-),-python_single_target_python3_5(-),- python_single_target_python3_6(-),-python_single_target_python3_7(-)] required by (dev-python/sphinxcontrib-websupport-1.1.0:0/0::gentoo, installed) dev-python/ sphinx[python_targets_python2_7(-),python_targets_python3_6(-),- python_single_target_python2_7(-),-python_single_target_python3_5(-),- python_single_target_python3_6(-),-python_single_target_python3_7(-)] required by (dev-python/cython-0.29.4:0/0::gentoo, installed) dev-python/ sphinx[python_targets_python2_7(-),python_targets_python3_6(-),- 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python_single_target_python3_7(-)] required by (dev-python/flask-wtf-0.14.2- r1:0/0::gentoo, installed) dev-python/ sphinx[python_targets_python2_7(-),python_targets_python3_6(-),- python_single_target_pypy(-),-python_single_target_pypy3(-),- python_single_target_python2_7(-),-python_single_target_python3_5(-),- python_single_target_python3_6(-)] required by (dev-python/ pexpect-4.2.1:0/0::gentoo, installed) dev-python/ sphinx[python_targets_python2_7(-),python_targets_python3_6(-),- python_single_target_pypy(-),-python_single_target_python2_7(-),- python_single_target_python3_5(-),-python_single_target_python3_6(-),- python_single_target_python3_7(-)] required by (dev-python/python- sqlparse-0.2.4:0/0::gentoo, installed) dev-python/ sphinx[python_targets_python2_7(-),python_targets_python3_6(-),- python_single_target_pypy(-),-python_single_target_pypy3(-),- python_single_target_python2_7(-),-python_single_target_python3_5(-),- 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