From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9C99F138359 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2020 16:53:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AEC8CE0823; Sat, 7 Nov 2020 16:53:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 742DAE07FE for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2020 16:53:30 +0000 (UTC) From: Agostino Sarubbo To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Cc: Thomas Deutschmann Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] A feedback about the CI bug reporting system Date: Sat, 07 Nov 2020 17:53:23 +0100 Message-ID: <17261331.sWSEgdgrri@spectre> In-Reply-To: References: <2044703.irdbgypaU6@spectre> <2675892.Y6S9NjorxK@spectre> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Archives-Salt: 8da1c06e-b8c5-4836-99c7-cd9d7ece53c3 X-Archives-Hash: 4e796d14357ea19b9f1062aa1de7fd89 Hello Thomas, On sabato 7 novembre 2020 17:06:56 CET Thomas Deutschmann wrote: > I have to second what other already said. > > Dropping bugs and forcing maintainer to review and spend time to check > if there is a problem and what was the reported problem at all creates > more work. And I consider anything creating more load for others which > was not requested not as helpful. Let me repeat what I have already written. Does portage print the exact error when dying? No, so we have a package manager that ends without saying why and while everyone is refusing to talk about that and understand this, in my opinion this issue denies everyone to make an automated full/complete report. Toralf did and is doing a great job, but you are confusing CI with a man that reviews and files bug half-manually. > That said, I don't have these problems with toralf's reports. They are > more complete and will show the problem in the report for most bugs. Let me repeat what I have already written somewhere. The rule in case of bug report is to attach the build log and provide emerge --info. If you think that those info are not enough that's fine, but please document that. > I do not agree with this conclusion. Just because developers didn't > ignore you and spent additional time to understand and try to help like > we normally do when we get reports from inexperienced users, doesn't > mean it was a pleasure... If find the exact error in a build log requires too much time and you do not want to spend time, instead of be forced to not ignore me you can request to be excluded from the reports. In general the CI reports are there to help. People that does not see those reports as help can request to not receive reports anymore. Agostino