[gentoo-dev] [RFC] News item: app-portage/gentoolkit-dev deprecation/removal

[gentoo-dev] [RFC] News item: app-portage/gentoolkit-dev deprecation/removal

[Paul Varner]

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Please provide any feedback on the upcoming deprecation and removal of 
app-portage/gentoolkit-dev with the upcoming stabilization of 
app-portage/gentoolkit-0.4.0 (Bug 627350)

Regards,
Paul

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Title: app-portage/gentoolkit-dev deprecation/removal
Author: Paul Varner <fuzzyray@gentoo.org>
Posted: 2017-09-19
Revision: 1
News-Item-Format: 2.0
Display-If-Installed: app-portage/gentoolkit-dev

The app-portage/gentoolkit-dev package has been deprecated and the ebump,
ekeyword and imlate have been moved to the app-portage/gentoolkit-0.4.0
package. With the upcoming marking of >=app-portage/gentoolkit-0.4.0 stable,
users will need to take action since gentoolkit-dev and those versions of
gentoolkit block each other.

In order to upgrade to the new version of gentoolkit, you will need to resolve
the blocks. In many cases, removing app-portage/gentoolkit-dev from the world
set will allow Portage to automatically resolve the blockers and remove 
gentoolkit-dev. You can remove it from world using the following command.

emerge --deselect app-portage/gentoolkit-dev

If that fails to work, then unmerge the gentoolkit-dev package with

emerge --unmerge app-portage/gentoolkit-dev

Once >=app-portage/gentoolkit-0.4.0 is stabilized, the remaining gentoolkit-dev
releases will be masked for removal and subsequent tree-cleaning.

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] News item: app-portage/gentoolkit-dev deprecation/removal

[Aaron W. Swenson]

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On 2017-09-18 15:09, Paul Varner wrote:
> Please provide any feedback on the upcoming deprecation and removal of 
> app-portage/gentoolkit-dev with the upcoming stabilization of 
> app-portage/gentoolkit-0.4.0 (Bug 627350)
> 
> Regards,
> Paul

> Title: app-portage/gentoolkit-dev deprecation/removal
> Author: Paul Varner <fuzzyray@gentoo.org>
> Posted: 2017-09-19
> Revision: 1
> News-Item-Format: 2.0
> Display-If-Installed: app-portage/gentoolkit-dev
> 
> The app-portage/gentoolkit-dev package has been deprecated and the ebump,
> ekeyword and imlate have been moved to the app-portage/gentoolkit-0.4.0
> package. With the upcoming marking of >=app-portage/gentoolkit-0.4.0 stable,
> users will need to take action since gentoolkit-dev and those versions of
> gentoolkit block each other.
> 
> In order to upgrade to the new version of gentoolkit, you will need to resolve
> the blocks. In many cases, removing app-portage/gentoolkit-dev from the world
> set will allow Portage to automatically resolve the blockers and remove 
> gentoolkit-dev. You can remove it from world using the following command.
> 
> emerge --deselect app-portage/gentoolkit-dev
> 
> If that fails to work, then unmerge the gentoolkit-dev package with
> 
> emerge --unmerge app-portage/gentoolkit-dev
> 

Why not just instruct users to unmerge rather than attempt something
that may or may not work as a first step?

The instructions would the be simplified to:
In order to upgrade to the new version of app-portage/gentoolkit, first
unmerge app-portage/gentoolkit-dev then emerge app-portage/gentoolkit:

   # emerge --unmerge app-portage/gentoolkit-dev
   # emerge --ask app-portage/gentoolkit

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Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] News item: app-portage/gentoolkit-dev deprecation/removal

[Brian Evans]

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On 09/18/2017 08:03 PM, Aaron W. Swenson wrote:
> On 2017-09-18 15:09, Paul Varner wrote:
>> In order to upgrade to the new version of gentoolkit, you will need to resolve
>> the blocks. In many cases, removing app-portage/gentoolkit-dev from the world
>> set will allow Portage to automatically resolve the blockers and remove 
>> gentoolkit-dev. You can remove it from world using the following command.
>>
>> emerge --deselect app-portage/gentoolkit-dev
>>
>> If that fails to work, then unmerge the gentoolkit-dev package with
>>
>> emerge --unmerge app-portage/gentoolkit-dev
>>
> 
> Why not just instruct users to unmerge rather than attempt something
> that may or may not work as a first step?
> 
> The instructions would the be simplified to:
> In order to upgrade to the new version of app-portage/gentoolkit, first
> unmerge app-portage/gentoolkit-dev then emerge app-portage/gentoolkit:
> 
>    # emerge --unmerge app-portage/gentoolkit-dev
>    # emerge --ask app-portage/gentoolkit
> 

We shouldn't be telling people to use --unmerge unless it is a last resort.

The preferred way to remove something is with --depclean <package> so
they get in good habits and do not break their system.

I know this case is a leaf package, so the --deselect and matching
blocker should be good enough IMO.

Brian


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Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] News item: app-portage/gentoolkit-dev deprecation/removal

[Paul Varner]

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On 9/18/17 3:09 PM, Paul Varner wrote:
> Please provide any feedback on the upcoming deprecation and removal of 
> app-portage/gentoolkit-dev with the upcoming stabilization of 
> app-portage/gentoolkit-0.4.0 (Bug 627350)
>
> Regards,
> Paul
Updated to just tell the user to remove gentoolkit-dev from the world 
set and depclean the package.

Regards,
Paul


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Title: app-portage/gentoolkit-dev deprecation and removal
Author: Paul Varner <fuzzyray@gentoo.org>
Posted: 2017-09-19
Revision: 1
News-Item-Format: 2.0
Display-If-Installed: app-portage/gentoolkit-dev

The app-portage/gentoolkit-dev package has been deprecated and the ebump,
ekeyword and imlate have been moved to the app-portage/gentoolkit-0.4.0
package. With the upcoming marking of >=app-portage/gentoolkit-0.4.0 stable,
users will need to take action since gentoolkit-dev and those versions of
gentoolkit block each other.

In order to upgrade to the new version of gentoolkit, you will need to resolve
the blocks. The following commands will remove gentoolkit-dev from your world
set and uninstall gentoolkit-dev. This will then allow the installation of 
>=app-portage/gentoolkit-0.4.0

emerge --deselect app-portage/gentoolkit-dev
emerge --depclean app-portage/gentoolkit-dev

Once >=app-portage/gentoolkit-0.4.0 is stabilized, the remaining gentoolkit-dev
releases will be masked for removal and subsequent tree-cleaning.

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] News item: app-portage/gentoolkit-dev deprecation/removal

[Ulrich Mueller]

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>>>>> On Tue, 19 Sep 2017, Paul Varner wrote:

> set and uninstall gentoolkit-dev. This will then allow the installation of 
> >=app-portage/gentoolkit-0.4.0

One tiny correction: There should be a full stop at the end of the
sentence.

Ulrich

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Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] News item: app-portage/gentoolkit-dev deprecation/removal

[Martin Gysel]

Am Dienstag, 19. September 2017, 19:10:23 CEST schrieb Paul Varner:
> emerge --deselect app-portage/gentoolkit-dev
> emerge --depclean app-portage/gentoolkit-dev
> 

why deselect it first? From man emerge, --depclean:
"When given one or more atoms, it will unmerge matched packages that have no 
reverse dependencies."

/martin

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] News item: app-portage/gentoolkit-dev deprecation/removal

[Paul Varner]

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On 9/20/17 2:49 AM, Martin Gysel wrote:
> Am Dienstag, 19. September 2017, 19:10:23 CEST schrieb Paul Varner:
>> emerge --deselect app-portage/gentoolkit-dev
>> emerge --depclean app-portage/gentoolkit-dev
>>
> why deselect it first? From man emerge, --depclean:
> "When given one or more atoms, it will unmerge matched packages that have no
> reverse dependencies."
>
Mainly as an extra precaution. However, just --depclean should work. 
This is the update with the typo pointed out by ulm corrected and 
changing the command to just be depclean.

Regards,
Paul

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Title: app-portage/gentoolkit-dev deprecation and removal
Author: Paul Varner <fuzzyray@gentoo.org>
Posted: 2017-09-19
Revision: 1
News-Item-Format: 2.0
Display-If-Installed: app-portage/gentoolkit-dev

The app-portage/gentoolkit-dev package has been deprecated and the ebump,
ekeyword and imlate have been moved to the app-portage/gentoolkit-0.4.0
package. With the upcoming marking of >=app-portage/gentoolkit-0.4.0 stable,
users will need to take action since gentoolkit-dev and those versions of
gentoolkit block each other.

In order to upgrade to the new version of gentoolkit, you will need to resolve
the blocks. The following command will remove gentoolkit-dev from your world
set and uninstall gentoolkit-dev. This will then allow the installation of 
>=app-portage/gentoolkit-0.4.0.

emerge --depclean app-portage/gentoolkit-dev

Once >=app-portage/gentoolkit-0.4.0 is stabilized, the remaining gentoolkit-dev
releases will be masked for removal and subsequent tree-cleaning.

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] News item: app-portage/gentoolkit-dev deprecation/removal

[Paul Varner]

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On 9/20/17 2:22 PM, Paul Varner wrote:
> On 9/20/17 2:49 AM, Martin Gysel wrote:
>> Am Dienstag, 19. September 2017, 19:10:23 CEST schrieb Paul Varner:
>>> emerge --deselect app-portage/gentoolkit-dev
>>> emerge --depclean app-portage/gentoolkit-dev
>>>
>> why deselect it first? From man emerge, --depclean:
>> "When given one or more atoms, it will unmerge matched packages that 
>> have no
>> reverse dependencies."
>>
> Mainly as an extra precaution. However, just --depclean should work. 
> This is the update with the typo pointed out by ulm corrected and 
> changing the command to just be depclean.
>
> Regards,
> Paul
I just realized that the devmanual says to copy PR on the news items, so 
they are copied on this message. This should be what gets committed 
after three days as there have been no more comments on the item.

Regards,
Paul

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Title: app-portage/gentoolkit-dev deprecation and removal
Author: Paul Varner <fuzzyray@gentoo.org>
Posted: 2017-09-19
Revision: 1
News-Item-Format: 2.0
Display-If-Installed: app-portage/gentoolkit-dev

The app-portage/gentoolkit-dev package has been deprecated and the ebump,
ekeyword and imlate have been moved to the app-portage/gentoolkit-0.4.0
package. With the upcoming marking of >=app-portage/gentoolkit-0.4.0 stable,
users will need to take action since gentoolkit-dev and those versions of
gentoolkit block each other.

In order to upgrade to the new version of gentoolkit, you will need to resolve
the blocks. The following command will remove gentoolkit-dev from your world
set and uninstall gentoolkit-dev. This will then allow the installation of 
>=app-portage/gentoolkit-0.4.0.

emerge --depclean app-portage/gentoolkit-dev

Once >=app-portage/gentoolkit-0.4.0 is stabilized, the remaining gentoolkit-dev
releases will be masked for removal and subsequent tree-cleaning.