From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C2FD9139082 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2017 03:09:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BFC7CE0D0B; Mon, 11 Sep 2017 03:09:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [IPv6:2001:470:ea4a:1:5054:ff:fec7:86e4]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7AAB5E0CB0 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2017 03:09:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [172.16.0.17] (cpe-72-227-68-175.maine.res.rr.com [72.227.68.175]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: desultory) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7773A3416B3 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2017 03:09:46 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC pre-GLEP] Gentoo Git Workflow To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org References: <1500969906.1206.1.camel@gentoo.org> <1504943241.15912.8.camel@gentoo.org> <96082740-7f5e-2476-c7f7-2d6982549afb@gentoo.org> <1505036049.920.12.camel@gentoo.org> <661acf65-ceab-5af4-5137-7f81004ceeb5@gentoo.org> From: Dean Stephens Message-ID: <163e231b-259b-8fd0-19bc-d94cefe78103@gentoo.org> Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2017 23:09:36 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <661acf65-ceab-5af4-5137-7f81004ceeb5@gentoo.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Archives-Salt: 62dc7629-82a1-4f7d-a841-57ded570acb3 X-Archives-Hash: d63d846369ba4ef33a42a58ec45aa296 On 09/10/17 18:13, Daniel Campbell wrote: > I'm not looking for political propaganda. What would I gain from it? I > don't really have any strong connections here. In fact I'm probably > ticking a few people off. I'm calling your practices out for what they > are, since nobody else appears willing or able to. It's flat-out > dishonest to complain about a mailing list on one site, then > deliberately add flames to the fire less than a day later on the very > list you complained about. You are contributing to the very thing you > claim to detest. I don't see that as political, because it affects the > work that you, I, and other Gentoo devs do. It damages relationships > between developers, and if something isn't done about it, Gentoo will > continue falling into irrelevance because we can't get our ship to sail > smoothly. We all have the ability to improve this, and I gain nothing by > writing this e-mail. > At this point, the question comes down to whether ComRel would sanction a sitting Council member and whether it has reached the point at which discovering the answer in practical reality is needed, especially considering the virtually guaranteed backlash should that answer turn out to be negative. While I realize that positive reinforcement is generally a more effective training methodology, it seems impractical in this case.