From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E8891138330 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 2018 19:45:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6AA67E0ABA; Wed, 10 Jan 2018 19:45:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (woodpecker.gentoo.org [IPv6:2001:470:ea4a:1:5054:ff:fec7:86e4]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 133D7E0A96 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 2018 19:45:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pomiot (d202-252.icpnet.pl [109.173.202.252]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: mgorny) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1C489335C43; Wed, 10 Jan 2018 19:45:24 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <1515613522.918.4.camel@gentoo.org> Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Upcoming posting restrictions on the gentoo-dev mailing list From: =?UTF-8?Q?Micha=C5=82_G=C3=B3rny?= To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 20:45:22 +0100 In-Reply-To: References: <1685019.DAF74n7IXa@pinacolada> <1515578120.1284.5.camel@gentoo.org> <1515611196.1284.15.camel@gentoo.org> Organization: Gentoo Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.24.6 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Archives-Salt: 2e636c39-d999-4a95-abf6-e45817ba53e1 X-Archives-Hash: 7781bccd62af2f0b98d5545e491c6c39 W dniu śro, 10.01.2018 o godzinie 14∶31 -0500, użytkownik Alec Warner napisał: > On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 2:06 PM, Michał Górny wrote: > > > W dniu śro, 10.01.2018 o godzinie 09∶11 -0800, użytkownik Matt Turner > > napisał: > > > On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 1:55 AM, Michał Górny wrote: > > > > W dniu wto, 09.01.2018 o godzinie 17∶08 -0800, użytkownik Matt Turner > > > > napisał: > > > > > On Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 1:20 PM, Andreas K. Huettel < > > > > dilfridge@gentoo.org> wrote: > > > > > > During the last Gentoo council meeting, the decision was made to > > > > implement > > > > > > changes to the gentoo-dev mailing list [1]. > > > > > > > > > > > > These changes affect only the gentoo-dev mailing list, and will > > > > come into > > > > > > effect on 23 January 2018. > > > > > > > > > > > > * Subscribing to the list and receiving list mail remains as it is > > > > now. > > > > > > * Posting to the list will only be possible to Gentoo developers > > > > and > > > > > > whitelisted additional participants. > > > > > > * Whitelisting requires that one developer vouches for you. We > > > > intend this > > > > > > to be as unbureaucratic as possible. > > > > > > * Obviously, repeated off-topic posting as well as behaviour > > > > against the > > > > > > Code of Conduct [2] will lead to revocation of the posting > > > > permission. > > > > > > > > > > > > If, as a non-developer, you want to participate in a discussion on > > > > > > gentoo-dev, > > > > > > - either reply directly to the author of a list mail and ask > > > > him/her to > > > > > > forward your message, > > > > > > - or ask any Gentoo developer of your choice to get you > > > > whitelisted. > > > > > > > > > > > > If, as a developer, you want to have someone whitelisted, please > > > > comment on > > > > > > bug 644070 [3]. Similar to Bugzilla editbugs permission, if you > > > > are vouching > > > > > > for a contributor you are expected to keep an eye on their > > > > activity. > > > > > > > > > > It seems like the obvious way this fails is some Gentoo developer > > > > acks > > > > > one of the problem people. I don't think that's particularly > > > > unlikely. > > > > > Then what do we do? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then it becomes comrel business. > > > > > > If that was an effective solution, wouldn't the problem already be > > > > solved? > > > > One of the problems mentioned before was that a person could easily > > evade the ban via subscribing from another e-mail address. In this case > > it's no longer possible, as he would need to obtain the vouching for his > > new e-mail address, and for that he would first have to have something > > positive to post. > > > > Of course this relies on developers not vouching for new people out of > > the blue but expecting them to have something to contribute first. > > > > This sounds like an amazing fundraising opportunity. > > https://www.gentoo.org/donate/ > > Get membership posting privs. > I should point out that even as a joke this is highly inappropriate. -- Best regards, Michał Górny