From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0003A138330 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 2018 19:44:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 31766E0A92; Wed, 10 Jan 2018 19:44:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (woodpecker.gentoo.org [IPv6:2001:470:ea4a:1:5054:ff:fec7:86e4]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D41A0E0A88 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 2018 19:44:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pomiot (d202-252.icpnet.pl [109.173.202.252]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: mgorny) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 187CB335C46; Wed, 10 Jan 2018 19:44:35 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <1515613472.918.3.camel@gentoo.org> Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Upcoming posting restrictions on the gentoo-dev mailing list From: =?UTF-8?Q?Micha=C5=82_G=C3=B3rny?= To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 20:44:32 +0100 In-Reply-To: <5a6d0b738c950857218087ea2fcde59d@thetys-retz.net> References: <1685019.DAF74n7IXa@pinacolada> <20180110054855.GA4483@angelfall.a21an.org> <1515578019.1284.3.camel@gentoo.org> <5a6d0b738c950857218087ea2fcde59d@thetys-retz.net> Organization: Gentoo Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.24.6 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Archives-Salt: 8b97d742-c762-4aa8-bb0f-87295638fd30 X-Archives-Hash: d4ed08bffd4bee1d96eb3ffa9a73cb8a W dniu śro, 10.01.2018 o godzinie 18∶16 +0100, użytkownik Vincent-Xavier JUMEL napisał: > Le 2018-01-10 10:53, Michał Górny a écrit : > > Last I checked, Gentoo was a Linux distribution. However, some people > > prefer to turn it into open discussion forum that has nothing to do > > with > > making a distribution. > > > > No it has. Giving power to a subset of users, denying interaction with > future contributors unless they enroll is the eaxct way to kill Gentoo > as a community ! Nobody's denying interaction with future contributors. We're just closing one of discussion forum that doesn't work for us. > > And if you are curious, then I've been asked by multiple developers > > (and a few users) requesting the restriction, and I haven't been > > contacted by a single one who asked otherwise. > > People have voiced against this proposals before. So you want to protect > some developper instead of getting an open community. Yes, if I have to choose between: a. a developer, a person who I know is spending a significant effort making Gentoo a better distribution, and b. an 'open community' which focuses around a few vocal users whose only 'contribution' so far were negative and/or insulting mailing list posts towards Gentoo developers, then I'm sorry but I'm going to go for protecting the developer. Because in the end, our users benefit from working distribution more than from having a discussion forum where they can complain that the distribution does not work and debate which of the developers they blame for it. > As I've already said, Gentoo community is taking (and part is because of > lack of user consideration) a very bad direction. > > I might want to spread the word that Gentoo is not anymore a welcoming > community for people who want to delve inside GNU/Linux and easily > understant how is build a complete OS. > Thank you for proving our point. -- Best regards, Michał Górny