From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4621C138330 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 2018 19:06:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 055ACE09DE; Wed, 10 Jan 2018 19:06:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (mail.gentoo.org [IPv6:2001:470:ea4a:1:5054:ff:fec7:86e4]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A437EE09C8 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 2018 19:06:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pomiot (d202-252.icpnet.pl [109.173.202.252]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: mgorny) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 99387335C43; Wed, 10 Jan 2018 19:06:40 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <1515611196.1284.15.camel@gentoo.org> Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Upcoming posting restrictions on the gentoo-dev mailing list From: =?UTF-8?Q?Micha=C5=82_G=C3=B3rny?= To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 20:06:36 +0100 In-Reply-To: References: <1685019.DAF74n7IXa@pinacolada> <1515578120.1284.5.camel@gentoo.org> Organization: Gentoo Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.24.6 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Archives-Salt: 073288a5-e9f4-47a2-8740-cf39b38b988f X-Archives-Hash: fcbd084fa0cc380592ba757cf9d99bee W dniu śro, 10.01.2018 o godzinie 09∶11 -0800, użytkownik Matt Turner napisał: > On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 1:55 AM, Michał Górny wrote: > > W dniu wto, 09.01.2018 o godzinie 17∶08 -0800, użytkownik Matt Turner > > napisał: > > > On Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 1:20 PM, Andreas K. Huettel wrote: > > > > During the last Gentoo council meeting, the decision was made to implement > > > > changes to the gentoo-dev mailing list [1]. > > > > > > > > These changes affect only the gentoo-dev mailing list, and will come into > > > > effect on 23 January 2018. > > > > > > > > * Subscribing to the list and receiving list mail remains as it is now. > > > > * Posting to the list will only be possible to Gentoo developers and > > > > whitelisted additional participants. > > > > * Whitelisting requires that one developer vouches for you. We intend this > > > > to be as unbureaucratic as possible. > > > > * Obviously, repeated off-topic posting as well as behaviour against the > > > > Code of Conduct [2] will lead to revocation of the posting permission. > > > > > > > > If, as a non-developer, you want to participate in a discussion on > > > > gentoo-dev, > > > > - either reply directly to the author of a list mail and ask him/her to > > > > forward your message, > > > > - or ask any Gentoo developer of your choice to get you whitelisted. > > > > > > > > If, as a developer, you want to have someone whitelisted, please comment on > > > > bug 644070 [3]. Similar to Bugzilla editbugs permission, if you are vouching > > > > for a contributor you are expected to keep an eye on their activity. > > > > > > It seems like the obvious way this fails is some Gentoo developer acks > > > one of the problem people. I don't think that's particularly unlikely. > > > Then what do we do? > > > > > > > Then it becomes comrel business. > > If that was an effective solution, wouldn't the problem already be solved? One of the problems mentioned before was that a person could easily evade the ban via subscribing from another e-mail address. In this case it's no longer possible, as he would need to obtain the vouching for his new e-mail address, and for that he would first have to have something positive to post. Of course this relies on developers not vouching for new people out of the blue but expecting them to have something to contribute first. -- Best regards, Michał Górny