From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7E071139694 for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2017 13:23:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6B7E11FC079; Tue, 25 Jul 2017 13:23:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (dev.gentoo.org [IPv6:2001:470:ea4a:1:5054:ff:fec7:86e4]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 23AC61FC064 for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2017 13:23:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.10] (81.61.201.10.dyn.user.ono.com [81.61.201.10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: pacho) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C661833BE95 for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2017 13:23:37 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <1500989013.4544.84.camel@gentoo.org> Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Future of gentoo's stable and unstable trees: what are your thoughts? From: Pacho Ramos To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2017 15:23:33 +0200 In-Reply-To: <1500988752.795.3.camel@gentoo.org> References: <20170724222223.6d359e47@sf> <20170724232244.GT12397@stuge.se> <1500963512.25461.5.camel@gentoo.org> <1500974301.4544.69.camel@gentoo.org> <6098F32D-C9FF-4437-AEAF-8241413D9CBC@gentoo.org> <1500984949.4544.80.camel@gentoo.org> <1500988752.795.3.camel@gentoo.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.22.6 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Archives-Salt: be08c978-4e08-4016-94e7-534f09802d8d X-Archives-Hash: b195d29629b4f033d5572040ba1ee155 El mar, 25-07-2017 a las 15:19 +0200, Michał Górny escribió: > On wto, 2017-07-25 at 14:15 +0200, Pacho Ramos wrote: > > El mar, 25-07-2017 a las 13:54 +0200, Michał Górny escribió: > > > Dnia 25 lipca 2017 11:18:21 CEST, Pacho Ramos > > > napisał(a): > > > > El mar, 25-07-2017 a las 08:18 +0200, Hans de Graaff escribió: > > > > > On Mon, 2017-07-24 at 23:22 +0000, Peter Stuge wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I hold a perhaps radical view: I would like to simply remove > > > > > > > > stable. > > > > > > > > > > > > [snip] > > > > > > > > > > > > I consider dev time a precious resource. > > > > > > > > > > If we were to drop stable I would have to start maintaining my own > > > > > stable lists to determine what would be ready to into production for > > > > > > > > my > > > > > company. In production "works most of the time" and "good enough" > > > > > simply aren't good enough. > > > > > > > > > > I estimate that would at least equal the amount of time I'm currently > > > > > spending on Gentoo work, and consequently my contributions to Gentoo > > > > > would dwindle to a halt. Most likely I would start looking at other > > > > > solutions altogether. > > > > > > > > > > > More troubleshooting and fixing "hard" problems, less routine work. > > > > > > > > > > Except that some of that routine work is actually what I enjoy doing > > > > > > > > in > > > > > Gentoo. I already get plenty of the other two in my day job. > > > > > > > > > > Hans > > > > > > > > If stable goes away I will simply switch to other distribution and > > > > retire > > > > > > What's the "over my dead commit access" spirit?  > > > > > > > Jumping from trying to maintain stable tree to arches dead for ages to drop > > all > > stable trees looks to me like a joke promoted by people that has never > > handled > > any stabilization request and saw on them how running a pure "testing" > > system is > > impossible on many conditions. It seems that some people think that if it > > fits > > ok for them, it will fit for all others like we were all using Gentoo for > > doing > > the same. > > > > I'm sorry, that was supposed to be 'where', not 'what' (stupid > autocompletion!). I simply meant to say that you should have said 'over > my dead commit access' there ;-). > > Ah, no problem. I am also sorry for my quick response to the thread but, seriously, when I read the suggestion I was like =O Best regards!