From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B104D139694 for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2017 13:19:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 20F1E1FC04C; Tue, 25 Jul 2017 13:19:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (woodpecker.gentoo.org [IPv6:2001:470:ea4a:1:5054:ff:fec7:86e4]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C02001FC007 for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2017 13:19:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pomiot (d202-252.icpnet.pl [109.173.202.252]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: mgorny) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2394D33BE95; Tue, 25 Jul 2017 13:19:15 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <1500988752.795.3.camel@gentoo.org> Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Future of gentoo's stable and unstable trees: what are your thoughts? From: =?UTF-8?Q?Micha=C5=82_G=C3=B3rny?= To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2017 15:19:12 +0200 In-Reply-To: <1500984949.4544.80.camel@gentoo.org> References: <20170724222223.6d359e47@sf> <20170724232244.GT12397@stuge.se> <1500963512.25461.5.camel@gentoo.org> <1500974301.4544.69.camel@gentoo.org> <6098F32D-C9FF-4437-AEAF-8241413D9CBC@gentoo.org> <1500984949.4544.80.camel@gentoo.org> Organization: Gentoo Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg="pgp-sha512"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-0x30SVPI1hoBKmh9OOsY" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.22.6 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Archives-Salt: 0b477182-a42a-4c17-8848-792f23dab65d X-Archives-Hash: 9010961b0e411387854c2ef35537f9f1 --=-0x30SVPI1hoBKmh9OOsY Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On wto, 2017-07-25 at 14:15 +0200, Pacho Ramos wrote: > El mar, 25-07-2017 a las 13:54 +0200, Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny escribi=C3= =B3: > > Dnia 25 lipca 2017 11:18:21 CEST, Pacho Ramos napisa= =C5=82(a): > > > El mar, 25-07-2017 a las 08:18 +0200, Hans de Graaff escribi=C3=B3: > > > > On Mon, 2017-07-24 at 23:22 +0000, Peter Stuge wrote: > > > > >=20 > > > > > I hold a perhaps radical view: I would like to simply remove > > >=20 > > > stable. > > > > >=20 > > > > > [snip] > > > > >=20 > > > > > I consider dev time a precious resource. > > > >=20 > > > > If we were to drop stable I would have to start maintaining my own > > > > stable lists to determine what would be ready to into production fo= r > > >=20 > > > my > > > > company.=C2=A0In production "works most of the time" and "good enou= gh" > > > > simply aren't good enough. > > > >=20 > > > > I estimate that would at least equal the amount of time I'm current= ly > > > > spending on Gentoo work, and consequently my contributions to Gento= o > > > > would dwindle to a halt. Most likely I would start looking at other > > > > solutions altogether. > > > >=20 > > > > > More troubleshooting and fixing "hard" problems, less routine wor= k. > > > >=20 > > > > Except that some of that routine work is actually what I enjoy doin= g > > >=20 > > > in > > > > Gentoo. I already get plenty of the other two in my day job. > > > >=20 > > > > Hans > > >=20 > > > If stable goes away I will simply switch to other distribution and > > > retire > >=20 > > What's the "over my dead commit access" spirit?=C2=A0 > >=20 >=20 > Jumping from trying to maintain stable tree to arches dead for ages to dr= op all > stable trees looks to me like a joke promoted by people that has never ha= ndled > any stabilization request and saw on them how running a pure "testing" sy= stem is > impossible on many conditions. It seems that some people think that if it= fits > ok for them, it will fit for all others like we were all using Gentoo for= doing > the same. >=20 I'm sorry, that was supposed to be 'where', not 'what' (stupid autocompletion!). I simply meant to say that you should have said 'over my dead commit access' there ;-). --=20 Best regards, Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny --=-0x30SVPI1hoBKmh9OOsY Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQKmBAABCgCQFiEEbbsHzE8NrQbqCv5BsHoa6u+0Rk4FAll3RVBfFIAAAAAALgAo aXNzdWVyLWZwckBub3RhdGlvbnMub3BlbnBncC5maWZ0aGhvcnNlbWFuLm5ldDZE QkIwN0NDNEYwREFEMDZFQTBBRkU0MUIwN0ExQUVBRUZCNDQ2NEUSHG1nb3JueUBn ZW50b28ub3JnAAoJELB6GurvtEZOO5sQANlow1f8hI9paAQhRsLWV6CmDnm0rEQh Rw+8vgwxxDej9b9pJpeYK7SzBXeUnJq+s+awqeUeRxuQgPfS8WgR7FN8d66SCuTZ fvbdHqfaBpE3CSybgM0oWm9vD/yiKdVd5SsKt79t0vjcTDIH3XeDEQIK6ktyoH2N fIE8hdpHglp9O5Q/mCImaleBoG4Yp/TzVMu85vGHAbY96sDDSYELxAMGZykpBRhc miop2bgrtnsFFisfki8ABhqCa4VtnrBySPY4cqd7IcsDiTolfs7Z+UrzEiAq5yLM 5v0QpIn27KxN5d9NxUnNRG+7J9jYAZuyN3iLPFilc5jnIU9+SkwI3o+1AQwUqMOm /oX20G2Up21rZ6UZi6uYoyQrvVaKZY5aeU0oesemGynyX1Y0t12PHxGXg7J13D5f pC9sBPWLY9FWlI9+oenSFO/LNou0h7hWGWhpN7HKg4Anrct+Sj/ykK0UHQ3H4A4e D8s5lXoQv4S0wNkdLvgQOc0EGjim8Wt4h3sJRRNwmNM25go9nL7PJHEvs25v00ab A0CLjZjCBZvSNBvdnAXu0qDsuBwtzwYDYe14Bj8HCYdprpbJGDXmKaaEAU4I9Pne ARgVxmvE6B+DCt7QtlExLaXAPOT2zvNJfKxCHkEj7aLjBHpYHlqRyR3xL+keBSzN LvL0Nl1AkuFP =iWOE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-0x30SVPI1hoBKmh9OOsY--